Ammo prices

[Mazin]

I will reiterate the PM I sent to a few "members" and will send to anyone else here that has a problem with the way this site and the and the TP is ran.

If you don't like it leave, plain and simple.

[theGinsue]

My husband asked how much ammo we have & I sai...

Now that is funny!

[Jer]

I will reiterate the PM I sent to a few "members" and will send to anyone else here that has a problem with the way this site and the and the TP is ran.

If you don't like it leave, plain and simple.

Sadly, many people have.

[Great-Kazoo]

Sadly, many people have.

oh well. if one is that butt hurt over any web sites policy they leave. With this as more of a community, than say FB or other social media. Perhaps they really were not part of the community.

I"d still be leery of the non - residents on the forum.

[Irving]

Sadly, many people have.

Membership is definitely a little stale, but for many more reasons than the trading post

As far as steel case, I generally don't worry about it in my hand guns, but I had a steel cased .308 get stuck in my Savage that kind of soured me on the whole experience. When I went to knock it out with a rod, the primer just opened up like a little door and made everything much more difficult to work with. I ended up having to take it down to Bowers. That one case cost me several days, right before hunting. Not that I'd have been using steel case for hunting ammo, but that could have easily ruined a hunt.

[Jer]

Membership is definitely a little stale, but for many more reasons than the trading post

As far as steel case, I generally don't worry about it in my hand guns, but I had a steel cased .308 get stuck in my Savage that kind of soured me on the whole experience. When I went to knock it out with a rod, the primer just opened up like a little door and made everything much more difficult to work with. I ended up having to take it down to Bowers. That one case cost me several days, right before hunting. Not that I'd have been using steel case for hunting ammo, but that could have easily ruined a hunt.

It's become a rather hostile environment with little intervention by forum staff. I'm not sure why they tolerate such aggressiveness between members and yet feel like it is important to intervene in for sale posts. I don't understand but it's not my forum so it's not important for me to understand. This is a freedom-loving crowd in general and most tend to appreciate the free market model over draconian control of who can sell what & at what price. It's not like anybody is being forced to make a purchase so I don't understand why they feel the need to regulate prices on what they determine is fair. All that should matter is if the buyer & seller agree on a price.

Personally, I used to list a ton of stuff in the marketplace section of this form. Lots of good transactions both a buyer & seller plus I got to know more members this way then at any other capacity. It was a little more free-flow at the time and while things weren't perfect I felt like it was a welcoming place to trade between the members of this forum. There has become so many rules that I tend to shy away from listening stuff simply because I don't want to get reprimanded because I made a mistake on some weird rule I didn't even realize I broke.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, just giving some honest constructive criticism that I hope is received that way by forum staff. I feel I've been around long enough through some of the changes to qualify to state my opinion on the topic.

[MED]

It's become a rather hostile environment with little intervention by forum staff. I'm not sure why they tolerate such aggressiveness between members and yet feel like it is important to intervene in for sale posts. I don't understand but it's not my forum so it's not important for me to understand. This is a freedom-loving crowd in general and most tend to appreciate the free market model over draconian control of who can sell what & at what price. It's not like anybody is being forced to make a purchase so I don't understand why they feel the need to regulate prices on what they determine is fair. All that should matter is if the buyer & seller agree on a price.

Personally, I used to list a ton of stuff in the marketplace section of this form. Lots of good transactions both a buyer & seller plus I got to know more members this way then at any other capacity. It was a little more free-flow at the time and while things weren't perfect I felt like it was a welcoming place to trade between the members of this forum. There has become so many rules that I tend to shy away from listening stuff simply because I don't want to get reprimanded because I made a mistake on some weird rule I didn't even realize I broke.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, just giving some honest constructive criticism that I hope is received that way by forum staff. I feel I've been around long enough through some of the changes to qualify to state my opinion on the topic.

I thought about this a lot the last few days deciding whether I wanted to post or not. However, first and foremost; I?m a participant on this forum, and I don?t donate my time to run it so I respect the wishes of those who do even in situations where I don?t agree. I think there are three ways of looking at things. The market changes constantly, and we all need to adapt (I don?t agree at all with price fixing). I?ve been buying since high school in the 80s; I?ve seen plenty of ups and downs along the way. I will tell you right now that there are things I?ve held until prices went back up and then listed them because I didn?t want to lose my shorts selling them in a low market. In general I believe in the free market; if you are buying and selling, you accept and pay the market rate. I spent the last seven years preparing for the eventual ammo shortage, and I tried to encourage my friends to do the same. I do have a problem with the scalpers who buy up resources screwing others who need them and scalp with their prices. I was absolutely disgusted with the people who camped out at Walmart to buy all the bricks of 22lr to sell at $50-$75 a brick. I didn?t buy from those people, and made a note of who they were so I wouldn?t buy from them in the future. During this coronavirus thing, I made it to the stores before they were cleaned out, and I could have taken anything but only took what I needed so the person behind me could get what they needed. Lastly, I definitely agree with the community aspect of the board. If somebody is in need, I wouldn?t try to sell them anything; I would just give it to them. In close I think the message would be better received in terms of ethics not price fixing, but that is just my humble opinion. Scalping shouldn?t be tolerated; in general it?s a shitty thing to do to people. I don?t think it is unethical for people to raise their prices if the market supports those prices; personally, I thought Ron?s ad was reasonable and a decent deal given the current market especially given the fact the ammo was from his own personal stash. However, I definitely understand the desire to keep this a community trading place; I wouldn?t want it to be armslist either...trust outweighs profit for me every time. In general, I?ve been very thankful to have this board over the years.

[Jer]

I thought about this a lot the last few days deciding whether I wanted to post or not. However, first and foremost; I?m a participant on this forum, and I don?t donate my time to run it so I respect the wishes of those who do even in situations where I don?t agree. I think there are three ways of looking at things. The market changes constantly, and we all need to adapt (I don?t agree at all with price fixing). I?ve been buying since high school in the 80s; I?ve seen plenty of ups and downs along the way. I will tell you right now that there are things I?ve held until prices went back up and then listed them because I didn?t want to lose my shorts selling them in a low market. In general I believe in the free market; if you are buying and selling, you accept and pay the market rate. I spent the last seven years preparing for the eventual ammo shortage, and I tried to encourage my friends to do the same. I do have a problem with the scalpers who buy up resources screwing others who need them and scalp with their prices. I was absolutely disgusted with the people who camped out at Walmart to buy all the bricks of 22lr to sell at $50-$75 a brick. I didn?t buy from those people, and made a note of who they were so I wouldn?t buy from them in the future. During this coronavirus thing, I made it to the stores before they were cleaned out, and I could have taken anything but only took what I needed so the person behind me could get what they needed. Lastly, I definitely agree with the community aspect of the board. If somebody is in need, I wouldn?t try to sell them anything; I would just give it to them. In close I think the message would be better received in terms of ethics not price fixing, but that is just my humble opinion. Scalping shouldn?t be tolerated; in general it?s a shitty thing to do to people. I don?t think it is unethical for people to raise their prices if the market supports those prices; personally, I thought Ron?s ad was reasonable and a decent deal given the current market especially given the fact the ammo was from his own personal stash. However, I definitely understand the desire to keep this a community trading place; I wouldn?t want it to be armslist either...trust outweighs profit for me every time. In general, I?ve been very thankful to have this board over the years.

So instead the "solution" is to not allow someone to sell something for a price that they're willing to part with it for that a buyer is willing to pay for something they can't otherwise get? Makes no sense. In this scenario someone is sitting on a surplus of something they could part with (for a profit, mind you) and I want something bad enough that I'm willing to pay a premium and instead I'm not even able to pay more to buy something and am instead left with nothing. I just don't get how this mindset is "protecting" anyone.

I've been thankful of this forum too but I feel as though the numbers of people I recognize is dwindling as of late. I myself haven't been as active and when I ask why it usually comes down to two things 1) the people I used to discuss topics with seem to no longer be around and the ones remaining are people who don't seem capable of discussing a topic they may not agree with civilized without resorting to personal attacks and 2) I don't really use the for sale section any longer and when I do it's almost never to sell something due to how afraid I am to ruffle feathers. It's just not worth it.

When I consider that, I have to wonder how many long-time members are no longer here for similar reasons. I then have to wonder what can be done and none of it is within my power so I guess I'm one of many who simple fall into the "lump it" category since we're told to "like it or lump it" as our only two options.

I don't even know what ammo thread has jimmies ruffled and I don't really care TBH. I'm not talking to that specific thread(s) but more of an over-arching observation.

My experience is that some people horde and these people tend to do so when prices are low... not high. So when supply is low they're not going to spend a premium to stock pile unless they think that things are going to get even crazier... which hasn't happened to this point. In this scenario, the economy crumbles and anarchy ensues. The dollar is worthless. The person who just bought a case of ammo at "gouging" prices now has a commodity he can use to protect him and his family and the seller has worthless paper in his possession. At best he now has paper with FAR less worth than it previously had. In this scenario, who wins?

Assuming this never happens, and the buyer just paid a mark-up for something he deemed valuable at the time... who's losing? The guy who stocked up on the ammo when it was available has some degree of risk associated with this investment as well so shouldn't he/she expect to be compensated for this risk exposure? Instead we want them to invest in an intangible object like the stock market and when they sell for a profit they're praised for shrewd financial foresight? I don't get how the same thing can be done while offering a tangible item for sale that a buyer is willing to pay for is somehow seen as repulsive. Kind of feels more like sour grapes than anything else.

My buddy held of on buying an AR15 for years until ol' Barry got into office. Then, everyone freaked out and he had to rush out and get an AR15 that day. I met him at the LGS to help him get something decent since he knew nothing about them. He ended up paying 2x more for the AR15 he got had he bought it a year earlier but guess what... he doesn't regret that purchase today. He loves his rifle and he wanted one and had the means to buy what he wanted and assigned proper value for his purchase at that time.

I just don't see why anyone would want to be the judge/jury/executioner of what is proper and improper pricing for an item that they aren't the buyer or seller of. Just seems like an awfully slippery slope with very little upside.

I didn't mean for that to be an entire manifesto but I guess I had more thoughts on the topic than I realized. Just my two cents, adjusted for Coronavirus FUD of course.