Ammo prices

[brutal]

Tier 1?

Do you even panic bro?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Why would I pay outrageous prices for ammunition? That's implying I have something to shoot it from (or that I haven't learned to buy things before peak panic).

[roberth]

Why would I pay outrageous prices for ammunition? That's implying I have something to shoot it from (or that I haven't learned to buy things before peak panic).

We're witnessing how many people refused to learn after obama in 2008, the hag in 2016, and now.

[colorider]

A popular gun shop in town is advertising pmc bronze 223 for $16 a box. A box of 20.

[Gman]

A popular gun shop in town is advertising pmc bronze 223 for $16 a box. A box of 20.

Still cheaper than the last price I saw for bulk ammo at CDNN for $999/1K.

[hollohas]

A popular gun shop in town is advertising pmc bronze 223 for $16 a box. A box of 20.

If it's new stock, which is likely, that's probably not much of a markup over their cost this week.

[Jer]

I thought about this a lot the last few days deciding whether I wanted to post or not. However, first and foremost; I?m a participant on this forum, and I don?t donate my time to run it so I respect the wishes of those who do even in situations where I don?t agree. I think there are three ways of looking at things. The market changes constantly, and we all need to adapt (I don?t agree at all with price fixing). I?ve been buying since high school in the 80s; I?ve seen plenty of ups and downs along the way. I will tell you right now that there are things I?ve held until prices went back up and then listed them because I didn?t want to lose my shorts selling them in a low market. In general I believe in the free market; if you are buying and selling, you accept and pay the market rate. I spent the last seven years preparing for the eventual ammo shortage, and I tried to encourage my friends to do the same. I do have a problem with the scalpers who buy up resources screwing others who need them and scalp with their prices. I was absolutely disgusted with the people who camped out at Walmart to buy all the bricks of 22lr to sell at $50-$75 a brick. I didn?t buy from those people, and made a note of who they were so I wouldn?t buy from them in the future. During this coronavirus thing, I made it to the stores before they were cleaned out, and I could have taken anything but only took what I needed so the person behind me could get what they needed. Lastly, I definitely agree with the community aspect of the board. If somebody is in need, I wouldn?t try to sell them anything; I would just give it to them. In close I think the message would be better received in terms of ethics not price fixing, but that is just my humble opinion. Scalping shouldn?t be tolerated; in general it?s a shitty thing to do to people. I don?t think it is unethical for people to raise their prices if the market supports those prices; personally, I thought Ron?s ad was reasonable and a decent deal given the current market especially given the fact the ammo was from his own personal stash. However, I definitely understand the desire to keep this a community trading place; I wouldn?t want it to be armslist either...trust outweighs profit for me every time. In general, I?ve been very thankful to have this board over the years.

So instead the "solution" is to not allow someone to sell something for a price that they're willing to part with it for that a buyer is willing to pay for something they can't otherwise get? Makes no sense. In this scenario someone is sitting on a surplus of something they could part with (for a profit, mind you) and I want something bad enough that I'm willing to pay a premium and instead I'm not even able to pay more to buy something and am instead left with nothing. I just don't get how this mindset is "protecting" anyone.

I've been thankful of this forum too but I feel as though the numbers of people I recognize is dwindling as of late. I myself haven't been as active and when I ask why it usually comes down to two things 1) the people I used to discuss topics with seem to no longer be around and the ones remaining are people who don't seem capable of discussing a topic they may not agree with civilized without resorting to personal attacks and 2) I don't really use the for sale section any longer and when I do it's almost never to sell something due to how afraid I am to ruffle feathers. It's just not worth it.

When I consider that, I have to wonder how many long-time members are no longer here for similar reasons. I then have to wonder what can be done and none of it is within my power so I guess I'm one of many who simple fall into the "lump it" category since we're told to "like it or lump it" as our only two options.

I don't even know what ammo thread has jimmies ruffled and I don't really care TBH. I'm not talking to that specific thread(s) but more of an over-arching observation.

My experience is that some people horde and these people tend to do so when prices are low... not high. So when supply is low they're not going to spend a premium to stock pile unless they think that things are going to get even crazier... which hasn't happened to this point. In this scenario, the economy crumbles and anarchy ensues. The dollar is worthless. The person who just bought a case of ammo at "gouging" prices now has a commodity he can use to protect him and his family and the seller has worthless paper in his possession. At best he now has paper with FAR less worth than it previously had. In this scenario, who wins?

Assuming this never happens, and the buyer just paid a mark-up for something he deemed valuable at the time... who's losing? The guy who stocked up on the ammo when it was available has some degree of risk associated with this investment as well so shouldn't he/she expect to be compensated for this risk exposure? Instead we want them to invest in an intangible object like the stock market and when they sell for a profit they're praised for shrewd financial foresight? I don't get how the same thing can be done while offering a tangible item for sale that a buyer is willing to pay for is somehow seen as repulsive. Kind of feels more like sour grapes than anything else.

My buddy held of on buying an AR15 for years until ol' Barry got into office. Then, everyone freaked out and he had to rush out and get an AR15 that day. I met him at the LGS to help him get something decent since he knew nothing about them. He ended up paying 2x more for the AR15 he got had he bought it a year earlier but guess what... he doesn't regret that purchase today. He loves his rifle and he wanted one and had the means to buy what he wanted and assigned proper value for his purchase at that time.

I just don't see why anyone would want to be the judge/jury/executioner of what is proper and improper pricing for an item that they aren't the buyer or seller of. Just seems like an awfully slippery slope with very little upside.

I didn't mean for that to be an entire manifesto but I guess I had more thoughts on the topic than I realized. Just my two cents, adjusted for Coronavirus FUD of course.

[MrPrena]

We're witnessing how many people refused to learn after obama in 2008, the hag in 2016, and now.

Dont forget 2013 after sandy hook.
That was pretty crazy too.

[HBARleatherneck]

Why is this so hard?

We are guests on this forum. They have rules and guidelines. These can change whenever or however the owners want.
Abide by the rules and stop whining or go to another forum.

Easy.

[Delfuego]

Why is this so hard?

We are guests on this forum. They have rules and guidelines. These can change whenever or however the owners want.
Abide by the rules and stop whining or go to another forum.

Easy.

@Jer Whatever helps you sleep at night