Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[DavieD55]

Not so sure about that. This is the same city that prosecuted and convicted Mohammed Noor a while back.

12.5 years seems like a sweetheart deal to me for a completely senseless murder. Joe Citizen would have went in for life as it should be. Mohammed.... Why the was there even a Mohammed on the police force to begin with...coexist and diversity subversive commie bullshit.

[Bailey Guns]

12.5 years seems like a sweetheart deal to me for a completely senseless murder. Joe Citizen would have went in for life as it should be. Mohammed.... Why the was there even a Mohammed on the police force to begin with...coexist and diversity subversive commie bullshit.

Well 12.5 years is a long way from acquitted. And Joe Citizen frequently gets a more lenient sentence than that. Furthermore, are we supposed to start persecuting people based on their name, now? Or their religion? What religion are you...just so I should know if you should be allowed to work in your chosen profession?

When you say stupid shit like that you lose what credibility you might've had the next time you start bitching about how the government violates your rights.

[BushMasterBoy]

Streets blocked by state police and national guard completely blocking the streets.

[Martinjmpr]

A couple of random observations:

First of all, while the officers were fired and will likely be indicted, the disturbing part is that if any "ordinary citizen" (i.e. non cop) did what they did, they'd have been arrested and jailed IMMEDIATELY. It's the double-standard of treatment between the police and citizens that is the most galling to a lot of people (including me.)

It's akin to the Aurora cop who was found drunk on duty in his patrol car last year and then sent home - there is ZERO percent chance he would have received that treatment if he had not been a "brother officer." "Citizens" that are found in those circumstance are ALWAYS arrested at the scene.

The other observation is that if you look back even 30 - 40 years, a lot of the dystopian sci-fi imagines a world where there are cameras everywhere as being a hellish oppressive society.

So it's interesting to me that now that we DO have "cameras everywhere," what we're seeing is not a totalitarian dictatorship, but rather we're seeing those cameras being used to hold the "powers that be" accountable in ways they never would have in the past.

Think about it, if there had been no camera footage, this would have been another "Man resisted arrest and died in police custody" case at the bottom of Page 4.

[Bailey Guns]

A couple of random observations:

First of all, while the officers were fired and will likely be indicted, the disturbing part is that if any "ordinary citizen" (i.e. non cop) did what they did, they'd have been arrested and jailed IMMEDIATELY. It's the double-standard of treatment between the police and citizens that is the most galling to a lot of people (including me.)

It's akin to the Aurora cop who was found drunk on duty in his patrol car last year and then sent home - there is ZERO percent chance he would have received that treatment if he had not been a "brother officer." "Citizens" that are found in those circumstance are ALWAYS arrested at the scene.

The other observation is that if you look back even 30 - 40 years, a lot of the dystopian sci-fi imagines a world where there are cameras everywhere as being a hellish oppressive society.

So it's interesting to me that now that we DO have "cameras everywhere," what we're seeing is not a totalitarian dictatorship, but rather we're seeing those cameras being used to hold the "powers that be" accountable in ways they never would have in the past.

Think about it, if there had been no camera footage, this would have been another "Man resisted arrest and died in police custody" case at the bottom of Page 4.

I think there are flaws with your reasoning. First, I'm not sure how "Joe Citizen" would've wound up with his knee on someone's neck in the course of an arrest. But let's say it was a scuffle and "Joe Citizen" and his buddies subdued the guy and held him down. The police would've been called and if the guy was dead an immediate investigation would ensue. But that's not how it happened here. Victim was transported by paramedics and, because the arresting officers were suspects and the their criminal behavior didn't come to light until some time later, the investigation occurred after the fact. If that's the case, a warrant is generally required for the arrest.

Every single day somewhere "Joe Citizens" are not arrested immediately following a crime they committed for various reasons. Every single day "Joe Citizens" are arrested on warrants for alleged crimes they committed but weren't immediately arrested for.

And I'd be willing to take bets that Chauvin is prosecuted and convicted.

[Gman]

I think there are flaws with your reasoning. First, I'm not sure how "Joe Citizen" would've wound up with his knee on someone's neck in the course of an arrest. But let's say it was a scuffle and "Joe Citizen" and his buddies subdued the guy and held him down. The police would've been called and if the guy was dead an immediate investigation would ensue. But that's not how it happened here. Victim was transported by paramedics and, because the arresting officers were suspects and the their criminal behavior didn't come to light until some time later, the investigation occurred after the fact. If that's the case, a warrant is generally required for the arrest.

Every single day somewhere "Joe Citizens" are not arrested immediately following a crime they committed for various reasons. Every single day "Joe Citizens" are arrested on warrants for alleged crimes they committed but weren't immediately arrested for.

And I'd be willing to take bets that Chauvin is prosecuted and convicted.

I'm not taking that bet. I'm no sucker.

[FoxtArt]

Colorado is a rare state that permits lawful use of deadly force in cases of aggravated arson (or soon to be), my best description: Guy with a lit Molotov cocktail with his arm pulled back, ready to throw, facing your building. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm is not necessary in that rare circumstance. Nothing keeps you from paying $50,000 in attorney fees to present that defense, however.

Something that I've always failed to understand with these riots is if there's a community that is protesting a perception that they are disproportionately comprised of criminals; burning looting and burglarizing is quite counterproductive. Just like Gahndi said when nonviolently protesting:

"lets get us some TV's and hair extensions bitches!"

That's the core issue why this fails to ever be a successful or meaningful protest of anything, because too many of their protesters are oxymorons.

[Gman]

Colorado is a rare state that permits lawful use of deadly force in cases of aggravated arson (or soon to be), my best description: Guy with a lit Molotov cocktail with his arm pulled back, ready to throw, facing your building. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm is not necessary in that rare circumstance. Nothing keeps you from paying $50,000 in attorney fees to present that defense, however.

Something that I've always failed to understand with these riots is if there's a community that is protesting a perception that they are disproportionately comprised of criminals; burning looting and burglarizing is quite counterproductive. Just like Gahndi said when nonviolently protesting: That's the core issue why this fails to ever be a successful or meaningful protest of anything, because too many of their protesters are oxymorons.

There are protestors and there are rioters/anarchists/thieves/opportunists using the protest as an excuse.

Any society that's willing to destroy their city in celebration of their local professional sports team championship, is lost IMO.

"Who had the moral compass last? So, is it actually "lost" or was it "misplaced"? Where'd you use it last? Someone probably stole it, you say?"

[FoxtArt]

There are protestors and there are rioters/anarchists/thieves/opportunists using the protest as an excuse.

Any society that's willing to destroy their city in celebration of their local professional sports team championship, is lost IMO.

"Who had the moral compass last? So, is it actually "lost" or was it "misplaced"? Where'd you use it last? Someone probably stole it, you say?"

For sure. That could be true of successful protests of yester'yore too, but the former category self-policed very effectively, which is what made them successful. There's always opportunists that will take advantage of a situation if they are permitted. E.g. there's conservative fringe groups that would love to burn stuff down too, but when there's a protest for that, they don't... because the legit protesters would either detain or possibly violently harm them. I'd bet if someone pulled a gun out during Ghandi's protests the Indians around them would've tackled them. These? Free license to be anarchists, so established in prior events its practically a calling card, there is no self enforcement and there never will be for the foreseeable future. And it's really unfortunate for those that do want to present a real message. (We live in America after all, lawful assembly and peaceful protests are honorable).

[Gman]

(We live in America after all, lawful assembly and peaceful protests are honorable).

There have even been some not so peaceful that were also honorable, IMO.

ETA: as examples, the San Francisco Vigilance Committee and the Battle of Athens