Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[Bailey Guns]

Generally speaking, police officers don't prevent crime.

In a really broad sense you might be correct but at least one scientific study says more cops = less crime. At least in some categories:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2019...-prevent-crime

The key finding is that “Among violent crimes, the results are negative and statistically significant for murder, rape, and robbery, while the estimate is not significant for assault.” Mello’s findings for murder are limited by the variability in the murder rate, his findings imply that “one life can be saved by hiring about 9.5 new police officers.” Mello goes on to discuss his findings in terms of cost-benefit, finding that each officer contributes $352,000 in social benefit (based on crime reduction) – well above the point at which the additional officer would be considered cost-effective.

Of course, it's impossible to determine or measure how many crimes are stopped just by the presence of a police officer. The thing that I found most surprising was the $350k in social benefits each officer creates. That's a pretty amazing number.

[Bailey Guns]

Kid that lives behind me, 21 YOA, just got hired and started training with Altus PD. Baptism by fire. He'll likely age 10 years in his first year.

[00tec]

A federal judge just ordered that Denver PD cannot use chemical or less than lethal weapons against peaceful protests.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/06/0...rotesters/amp/

[TEAMRICO]

A federal judge just ordered that Denver PD cannot use chemical or less than lethal weapons against peaceful protests.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/06/0...rotesters/amp/

Sooooooo LETHAL is still on the table? How about night sticks?

[Bailey Guns]

Wow... There are some pretty specific rulings in that. It's almost like the judge wants to rewrite the DPD policy manual.

[00tec]

Wow... There are some pretty specific rulings in that. It's almost like the judge wants to rewrite the DPD policy manual.

Well, when DPD was filmed pepper balling passing cars for fun, it's not a good look.

[Bailey Guns]

Well, when DPD was filmed pepper balling passing cars for fun, it's not a good look.

I understand that and I agree. Do you not see a problem with a judge rewriting a department policy manual from the bench? That is not a judge's job. That's part of the reason we're having some of the problems we're having today...judges legislating from the bench. That's basically what this judge is doing only in terms of police department policy instead of a law.

[Bailey Guns]

There is such a thing as taking something too far. Whether it's unreasonable force by police or burning and looting buildings in protest.

Frankly, I'd like to see police officers in Denver and other liberal shitholes come down with a serious case of blue flu. Bout a week off should cure a lot of this shit going around. Let the patients run the asylum for a while and see how that works out for those of you who think the police are out of control.

And for those of you who'll feel the need to say I'm just pro police, you're wrong. I'm pro good police...which is about 99.9% of them. I'm anti-bad cop. But I'm objective enough to realize there's a difference. And I'm not in favor of punishing the good cops for what a small minority of bad cops have done.

I'm also pro good protester. I'm anti-bad protester...aka looters and rioters.

Just like the protesters don't want to be lumped together with the looters and rioters, good cops don't want to be lumped together with the bad. Just like law-abiding gun owners don't want to be lumped together with the psychos who use guns to commit crimes. If you can't differentiate, you're part of the problem.

[GilpinGuy]

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And for those of you who'll feel the need to say I'm just pro police, you're wrong. I'm pro good police...which is about 99.9% of them. I'm anti-bad cop. But I'm objective enough to realize there's a difference. And I'm not in favor of punishing the good cops for what a small minority of bad cops have done.

I'm not calling you out or anything here, but in your years of LEO service, have you ever seen an officer do something untoward to the point that it would warrant it being reported to a supervisor or whatever? If so, did you do it?

I think "part" of the problem is police not policing themselves and calling out the bullshit excuse of "bad apples". Yes, assholes exist. Call them out and get them out of policing.

[buffalobo]

Restraining order against DPD was in force last night.