Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[Great-Kazoo]

It took five days before OJ Simpson was arrested.

it took them 3 hours to pull him over, too

[Gman]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapol...oters-break-in



Will the police response be different if the "protesters" move to the Cherry Hills / Greenwood Village part of Minneapolis?

Uh, yeah. That's probably where the politicians and their campaign contributors live. ;-)

[Gman]

I think there are flaws with your reasoning. First, I'm not sure how "Joe Citizen" would've wound up with his knee on someone's neck in the course of an arrest. But let's say it was a scuffle and "Joe Citizen" and his buddies subdued the guy and held him down. The police would've been called and if the guy was dead an immediate investigation would ensue. But that's not how it happened here. Victim was transported by paramedics and, because the arresting officers were suspects and the their criminal behavior didn't come to light until some time later, the investigation occurred after the fact. If that's the case, a warrant is generally required for the arrest.

Every single day somewhere "Joe Citizens" are not arrested immediately following a crime they committed for various reasons. Every single day "Joe Citizens" are arrested on warrants for alleged crimes they committed but weren't immediately arrested for.

And I'd be willing to take bets that Chauvin is prosecuted and convicted.

I'm not taking that bet. I'm no sucker.

[Rucker61]

Well 12.5 years is a long way from acquitted. And Joe Citizen frequently gets a more lenient sentence than that. Furthermore, are we supposed to start persecuting people based on their name, now? Or their religion? What religion are you...just so I should know if you should be allowed to work in your chosen profession?

When you say stupid shit like that you lose what credibility you might've had the next time you start bitching about how the government violates your rights.

Hear, hear.

[MrPrena]

I also won't be surprised if the businesses burned out in the riots won't have their claims paid due to the circumstances of the damage. Some excuse like 'civil unrest' or something.

Good question. I think business ins underwriter or fire and casualty might know (member we know) might know better, but generally I think damage from riot is usually included. Those insurance companies who exclude stuff like this is just no go in my book.

[MrPrena]

it took them 3 hours to pull him over, too

Haha.
I remember that. Even our high school showed the footage for crit thinking classes focused on current event.

[Gman]

Colorado is a rare state that permits lawful use of deadly force in cases of aggravated arson (or soon to be), my best description: Guy with a lit Molotov cocktail with his arm pulled back, ready to throw, facing your building. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm is not necessary in that rare circumstance. Nothing keeps you from paying $50,000 in attorney fees to present that defense, however.

Something that I've always failed to understand with these riots is if there's a community that is protesting a perception that they are disproportionately comprised of criminals; burning looting and burglarizing is quite counterproductive. Just like Gahndi said when nonviolently protesting: That's the core issue why this fails to ever be a successful or meaningful protest of anything, because too many of their protesters are oxymorons.

There are protestors and there are rioters/anarchists/thieves/opportunists using the protest as an excuse.

Any society that's willing to destroy their city in celebration of their local professional sports team championship, is lost IMO.

"Who had the moral compass last? So, is it actually "lost" or was it "misplaced"? Where'd you use it last? Someone probably stole it, you say?"

[cstone]

it took them 3 hours to pull him over, too

To be fair, OJ wasn't the driver.

[FoxtArt]

There are protestors and there are rioters/anarchists/thieves/opportunists using the protest as an excuse.

Any society that's willing to destroy their city in celebration of their local professional sports team championship, is lost IMO.

"Who had the moral compass last? So, is it actually "lost" or was it "misplaced"? Where'd you use it last? Someone probably stole it, you say?"

For sure. That could be true of successful protests of yester'yore too, but the former category self-policed very effectively, which is what made them successful. There's always opportunists that will take advantage of a situation if they are permitted. E.g. there's conservative fringe groups that would love to burn stuff down too, but when there's a protest for that, they don't... because the legit protesters would either detain or possibly violently harm them. I'd bet if someone pulled a gun out during Ghandi's protests the Indians around them would've tackled them. These? Free license to be anarchists, so established in prior events its practically a calling card, there is no self enforcement and there never will be for the foreseeable future. And it's really unfortunate for those that do want to present a real message. (We live in America after all, lawful assembly and peaceful protests are honorable).

[Gman]

(We live in America after all, lawful assembly and peaceful protests are honorable).

There have even been some not so peaceful that were also honorable, IMO.

ETA: as examples, the San Francisco Vigilance Committee and the Battle of Athens