Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[Rucker61]

IMO they'd better stick with manslaughter and not go for the harsher penalty, like they did with G. Zimmerman.

Manslaughter is easier to find a Guilty verdict for. Than premeditated murder, or other harsher sentence.

had they pushed for a manslaughter charge with zimmerman, he would have been found guilty. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo politics and higher ups wanted to make a statement. They failed and we saw the results.

The same will happen here.
Convict on manslaughter, lock him up and call it good. Push for the harsher penalty and there could be a problem getting a guilty plea, beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with any competent attorney.

Here are the Minnesota statutes. Murder 3 might be a good call.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609

[hollohas]

At least Covid-19 is cured.

...based on MSM coverage.

Just like that...poof.

[FoxtArt]

One noteable aspect on the issue of racism is that Gov is by far and large, unjust and unfair. To a non-minority, it's known by many names: bullshit, corruption, life sucks, etc.

This can lead to an exaggerated belief in endemic racism if one is a minority. When pulled over and an LEO adds extra infractions to a ticket, or they are unjustly fined by a city, or an inspector makes them jump through unnecessary bullshit, or they're double charged on tax or whatever - without the experience that "non minorities are suffering the same way" the answer for many people defaults to "it's because I'm ________". When that's rarely the cause; the underlying cause is corruption is endemic to society and there's a lot of people that are utter shitheads when provided sufficient power at virtually every opportunity. Not to say that racism doesn't exist - especially on lower levels it's well established all around us, including by the minorities and their own candidates "You Uncle Tom!" "If you don't know who you're voting for, you ain't black!" but it's definitely an exaggerated perception of it because an individual cannot sort out the circumstances that apply to everyone (e.g. "life sucks") and circumstances that are actually resultant of racism.

Whether the officer subject was racist or not isn't determinable by the actions. Maybe the officer is racist, or maybe he's just a shithead. I do know that absent evidence of other systematic issues - and I have not researched if they are there - it is equally as wrong to judge the entire city of Minneapolis, or it's officers, based on this one action, as it is to judge all minority residents there based on the criminal actions of two or three of them.

[Great-Kazoo]

Here are the Minnesota statutes. Murder 3 might be a good call.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609

perhaps but one needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Which has been shown to fail in previous high profile cases. Both Zimmerman and Simpson.

[CS1983]

Remember you said this when it happens to your home or business.

I can't even believe what I'm reading here. There's no excuse for what happened. None. I've already made it clear that's how I feel.

On the other hand, there's no excuse for what these thugs are doing to the city, either. Protesting is fine. March, carry signs, speak from the steps of the capital, blow up social media. But when you turn to anarchy and start destroying property and endangering people you become the problem. When you burn down businesses and police stations and loot and riot you are NOT protesting. You're now no better than the officers who killed this man. I don't care what anyone says this is not about race. This is an opportunity to be exploited by a lawless segment of society.

Way too many people have lost focus of what is right and what is wrong. This started at because of an injustice committed against one man. Continuing to go down the path of bringing injustice upon others who are innocent isn't fixing anything and isn't helping anything or anyone.

I thought my position on this society and all levels of government was clear: it?s done. There is no justice, just ?law?, which may or may not be applied equally. The government no longer fears the people, and that?s a problem. Government, Military, and Law Enforcement are beyond corrupt and every level needs an overhaul.

Does that mean every person in those organizations is corrupt and bad? Of course not. The good guys know who they are.

But, that doesn?t mean that something doesn?t need to happen to start real change.

Minneapolis isn?t rioting because of a good cop. They?re rioting because of a line of bad ones in the national consciousness. Because of what they see as a systemic problem.

If the system isn?t the problem, let it prove itself. I won?t hold my breath.

[VDW]

Even if he had his day in court and was convicted of a crime, still wouldn't have been given the death penalty.

There's no way to rationalize this away.

I?m not rationalizing it at all. I absolutely agree Floyd did not deserve the death penalty. I specifically said a charge of manslaughter was likely an appropriate charge for Chauvin.

I was pointing out the case may not be as clear cut as it sounds, and there is no evidence that it was racially motivated. According to the charging documents, Floyd was complaining he couldn?t breathe while still standing.

There?s a reason we don?t have lynch mobs as part of our justice system. Charge Chauvin and perform a thorough investigation before going to trial. Thorough means including any possible defense and any mitigating circumstances.

[BushMasterBoy]

"The professionally managed so-called ?protesters? at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The
@SecretService
handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???"

[VDW]

IMO they'd better stick with manslaughter and not go for the harsher penalty, like they did with G. Zimmerman.

Manslaughter is easier to find a Guilty verdict for. Than premeditated murder, or other harsher sentence.

had they pushed for a manslaughter charge with zimmerman, he would have been found guilty. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo politics and higher ups wanted to make a statement. They failed and we saw the results.

The same will happen here.
Convict on manslaughter, lock him up and call it good. Push for the harsher penalty and there could be a problem getting a guilty plea, beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with any competent attorney.

Exactly. Manslaughter has a far greater likelihood of conviction, especially when the assumed cause of death is called into question by the coroner.

[VDW]

Find me the healthy guy that can survive over 2 minutes of someone's knee on his throat.

If I was a competent defense attorney in this case, I could find plenty. It all depends on how much weight is being transferred to the neck. It?s hard to tell from a video. The officer could be transferring a great deal of weight/pressure in which case not many would survive. Or he could be transferring nearly no pressure, in which case most people might be uncomfortable, but not in great danger of death. It?s very hard to tell from a video, they can look nearly identical. If the officer had been transferring a great deal of weight to the neck for over 2 minutes, it would seem likely the coroner should have found some signs of asphyxiation or strangulation on the body.

[Bailey Guns]

Minneapolis isn?t rioting because of a good cop. They?re rioting because of a line of bad ones in the national consciousness. Because of what they see as a systemic problem.

If the system isn?t the problem, let it prove itself. I won?t hold my breath.

Perhaps. Yes, there have been injustices by police officers and there will continue to be. But it's exceedingly rare when taken in context of the number of police encounters that are "routine". This appears to be one of those rare instances. But I think a solid argument could be made that the perception of those who see systemic injustices committed by police is seriously skewed. Most likely by a number of reasons.

The biggest culprit is the media. How often have we seen the police take action resulting in the death of a black person and immediately the calls of racism start? Then the accusations of uncalled for brutality by police begin immediately as well. Then the rioting and looting start. Meanwhile, as facts start to emerge, the false narrative of racism and brutality starts to be disproven by logic and facts through thorough investigation. Does that stop the perception? No. It never does. "Hands up, don't shoot", a flat out lie, becomes a rallying cry. And the narrative that says innocent black men are being killed in great numbers by police continues and it isn't true. I don't have numbers but I'd venture to say the police are accused of misconduct without proof far more often than it actually occurs.

It's gotten so bad that it's now an excuse to believe one's actions don't have consequences and because one's skin is a certain color they're immune from negative actions taken against them by police.

I'll be honest. I'm sick of that victimhood narrative. I've had it shoved down my throat so much that I almost just don't even care any longer because it's mostly bullshit. But it's perpetuated and encouraged by too many useful, leftist idiots in power that know how to exploit it for personal gain and a media that I believe is far more institutionally corrupt than government.