Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[tmckay2]

The entire Buffalo ERT resigned from the team. 57 of 'em, to show support for 2 suspended officers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/3153626001

I respect them for putting their money where their mouth is. It's rare to see that. Not completely sure I agree with the innocence of the suspended officers, but much respect for standing up for what they believe in. It's always dangerous to judge based on a short video.

I will say it would not surprise me to see mass resignations. Some officers really like their job and it's tough to get into, but you also dont make a fortune and between the abuse in the streets and abuse in the media, some may say screw it. While I do think we have a major abuse problem, people lose sight of the good police do to keep us safe. You can believe both concurrently. If you get mass resignations and there is still unrest gpong on, could get real interesting.

It's sort of crazy LA talks about cutting funding for LAPD, I mean some neighborhoods have a huge amount of black on black homicides. So the key is to limit police presence?

[hollohas]

It's sort of crazy LA talks about cutting funding for LAPD, I mean some neighborhoods have a huge amount of black on black homicides. So the key is to limit police presence?

Minneapolis is talking about completely "dismantling" their PD.

Crazy times we're in.

[MrPrena]

Good cops gets punished for very few bad ones.
( you can substitute cop with CEOs, Chairman, senators , etc)

There are also few who panic and use deadly ___ from fear.

If people favor less physical police,I think we might be going to where British and Chinese are doing with policing.
Massive amount of survalences, cameras, drones, etc.

Some might like it, and may be it might be safer. I personally think there will be no privacy with this route.
I pick physical police over massive amount of camera and drones.

[Bailey Guns]

Fortunately we have government at every level that is exceedingly adept at knee-jerk responses. I have no doubt this issue will be resolved in the most bass-ackwards way possible and will cost far more money than anyone can afford. And we'll all be worse off with the solution than we were the problem.

[ray1970]

If people favor less physical police,I think we might be going to where British and Chinese are doing with policing.
Massive amount of survalences, cameras, drones, etc.

Some might like it, and may be it might be safer. I personally think there will be no privacy with this route.
I pick physical police over massive amount of camera and drones.

Generally speaking, police officers don't prevent crime. They respond to crimes after the fact and they investigate and solve crimes. At least with all of the cameras it will make solving crime easier. Plus, there are already a ton of cameras everywhere these days anyways. With the exception of remote, rural areas I can't think of anywhere you could get away with something and not be caught on some sort of camera.

[FoxtArt]

Generally speaking, police officers don't prevent crime. They respond to crimes after the fact and they investigate and solve crimes. At least with all of the cameras it will make solving crime easier. Plus, there are already a ton of cameras everywhere these days anyways. With the exception of remote, rural areas I can't think of anywhere you could get away with something and not be caught on some sort of camera.

I think it's that proliferation of cameras/surveillance which in part are increasingly linked to large-scale processing (e.g. ring, or US Gov't systems) that more than any modern development, would have been the most abhorrent to the people who institutionalized our government. Now note, I don't hold the founders on a pedestal - many mistakes were made (as would have been in any circumstance, they can't predict the future). Thing is, a surveillance state is the antithesis to a true republic; the country was created in law breaking, and they anticipated a necessity for it.

[Bailey Guns]

Generally speaking, police officers don't prevent crime.

In a really broad sense you might be correct but at least one scientific study says more cops = less crime. At least in some categories:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2019...-prevent-crime

The key finding is that “Among violent crimes, the results are negative and statistically significant for murder, rape, and robbery, while the estimate is not significant for assault.” Mello’s findings for murder are limited by the variability in the murder rate, his findings imply that “one life can be saved by hiring about 9.5 new police officers.” Mello goes on to discuss his findings in terms of cost-benefit, finding that each officer contributes $352,000 in social benefit (based on crime reduction) – well above the point at which the additional officer would be considered cost-effective.

Of course, it's impossible to determine or measure how many crimes are stopped just by the presence of a police officer. The thing that I found most surprising was the $350k in social benefits each officer creates. That's a pretty amazing number.

[Great-Kazoo]

Minneapolis is talking about completely "dismantling" their PD.

Crazy times we're in.

you should look at the makeup of that cities government as well as the AG of Mn..... Keith Ellison


While i agree there are bad cops, as well as abusive ones. I'd like to see the after effect of a P.D being "dismantled" in a large urban area.

OR like britian. cops are unarmed and they have a rapid style response team, that is qualified / authorized to be armed.

You think there's a somewhat slow response time to stop a school shooting now? Just wait. Of course for that to happen i'd expect draconian gun laws , punishment for possession of a gun and mandatory relinquishing of ones guns.

[Bailey Guns]

you should look at the makeup of that cities government as well as the AG of Mn..... Keith Ellison

His son is a Minneapolis city councilman. Go figure.

[Bailey Guns]

Kid that lives behind me, 21 YOA, just got hired and started training with Altus PD. Baptism by fire. He'll likely age 10 years in his first year.