Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[Gman]

The wife asked if we wanted to keep the same greenish color when we repaint. I told her that with the current situation, maybe we should paint it in a digital camouflage.

[Gman]

[Bailey Guns]

B Tatum is awesome.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm interested in principles. I'm curious why it's OK to do something drastic but then when that principle is applied to something less drastic, people start calling foul.

In the example 00tec gave, a corporation, which has far more buying power than individuals, could theoretically do whatever it wants contra the people. I'm not OK with that. But I'm curious as to why we have gone so far down the "muh capitalism!", "muh constitution-be-damned,-SCOTUS-says" rabbit hole, that we literally have warped ourselves into what is actually a far worse situation as a society than the Founding Fathers faced.

Oh c'mon, let's not exaggerate. We have a lot of wannabe-Stalins wanting to fundamentally change America and using Maoist tactics to implement a cultural revolution but they do NOT have legal power (yet) -- and they're not the corporations you're railing at. In fact, the Stalin/Mao-wannabes are anti-corporation (except where they can extort them for funding).

The Founding Fathers faced a government that stated their interests would be represented by Englishmen across the ocean, didn't recognize the right of habeas corpus, thought nothing of conducting "searches" for any reason and to any extent they desired, commandeered private quarters to house the soldiers used to implement their policies, impressed men to serve in the Royal Navy at whim, etc. We are facing nothing like that today as a society and certainly not from corporations. If anything, 4chan and computer-savvy anarchists/leftists are far more dangerous to the culture, liberty, and society than property owners deciding what they want to name their property or what behaviors they want to tolerate on their property.

[Gman]

Why Derek Chauvin May Get Off His Murder Charge

Interesting read.

The world has united in protest after a graphic video emerged showing a Black man dying under the restraint of a White police officer. The victim, George Floyd, was in clear distress. He was pinned to the ground by three officers, with one officer — Derek Chauvin — placing a knee on his neck. For over five minutes, he tells the officers that he is unable to breathe. George Floyd died as horrified bystanders told the officers they were killing him.

The video is unquestionably horrific.

But in our rush to condemn an aggressive use of force and pursue justice for George Floyd, we have ignored crucial information which is necessary in judging the conduct of the officers. While nothing can absolve George Floyd’s death, these facts do cast doubt on the appropriateness of a murder charge for Chauvin, and paint a more nuanced picture of the events leading up to the tragic encounter.

There are six crucial pieces of information — six facts — that have been largely omitted from discussion on the Chauvin’s conduct. Taken together, they likely exonerate the officer of a murder charge. Rather than indicating illegal and excessive force, they instead show an officer who rigidly followed the procedures deemed appropriate by the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD). The evidence points to the MPD and the local political establishment, rather than the individual officer, as ultimately responsible for George Floyd’s death.

These six facts are as follows:

1. George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck.

2. The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.

3. The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect. A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

4. Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

5. Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.

6. Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

Another point in the article:

While the officers may still be found guilty of manslaughter, the probability of a guilty verdict for the murder charge is low, and the public should be aware of this well in advance of the verdict.

More detail at the link above.

[Bailey Guns]

That is interesting information. And boy oh boy, wait til a "Not Guilty" verdict comes down on the Minneapolis case or the Atlanta case. We just THINK shit's bad now. Another reason why these overzealous DAs can be as big a problem as a bad cop.

[Great-Kazoo]

That is interesting information. And boy oh boy, wait til a "Not Guilty" verdict comes down on the Minneapolis case or the Atlanta case. We just THINK shit's bad now. Another reason why these overzealous DAs can be as big a problem as a bad cop.

They will probably get him on a manslaughter verdict. UNFORTUNATELY, like the zimmerman case. Politics and public opinion will probably have them push for a (what ever number) murder charge. IF he gets off on the greater charge. While Paris is burning, the DA and politicians will have no one to blame, but them self. OR Those white racist jurors who were seated.

Because it's always someone else fault.

[roberth]

Shhhhhhhh
All part of the plan

Absolutely correct.

[hollohas]

That is interesting information. And boy oh boy, wait til a "Not Guilty" verdict comes down on the Minneapolis case or the Atlanta case. We just THINK shit's bad now. Another reason why these overzealous DAs can be as big a problem as a bad cop.

On top of the shit that would rain if that happens, if any jurors don't vote guilty, they'll get doxed in a heartbeat and be forced into witness protection.

[Gman]

So...when will The Running Man be live streamed and by which service?