Weapons stolen...uhmm "lawfully seized" by DPD

[MrAK]

From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.

Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.

So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.

Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.

This is all possibly correct. If it is correct, then history shows us that there’s a good possibility that the idea and threat of a pipe bomb originated with a government informant or plant. Looks like the same thing happened in Vegas a day or so ago.

[MrAK]

I think this concept of McDumbass having been under surveillance says a lot.

Good thing we’ve got HR 838 in the works so that all gun owners can be surveilled and the government can neutralize any future threats before they happen.

Wtf

[waffles]

Unless he has an imminent threat and no other weapons, he can afford to wait a reasonable amount of time while they pursue the investigation. If it drags on for months then make some noise and waves but it hasn't been that long. It wouldn't surprise me if Denver purposely drug out the investigation but complain when there's evidence of that -- the guy presented a profile that triggered reasonable alerts, let it play out for now.

Publicize a reason why, charge it, or return the stuff. Denver PD refuses to make any comment on how/why they were seized, not even an easy cop out like "part of an ongoing investigation". You're posting on a gun forum, in a state that's getting less 2A friendly, and you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them without any stated reason when they can't even point to a crime that may have been committed? That's absolutely not my jam.

[Gman]

Publicize a reason why, charge it, or return the stuff. Denver PD refuses to make any comment on how/why they were seized, not even an easy cop out like "part of an ongoing investigation". You're posting on a gun forum, in a state that's getting less 2A friendly, and you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them without any stated reason when they can't even point to a crime that may have been committed? That's absolutely not my jam.

Just because one is aware of the reality of the situation, including the past history of DPD, doesn't mean "you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them".

Speaking for myself, I'm not very sympathetic to these guys since they appear to have put themselves in that situation with the intent to break the law.

You seem to be sharing that you're very upset about this situation. What's your plan to change it?

[waffles]

Just because one is aware of the reality of the situation, including the past history of DPD, doesn't mean "you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them".

Speaking for myself, I'm not very sympathetic to these guys since they appear to have put themselves in that situation with the intent to break the law.

You seem to be sharing that you're very upset about this situation. What's your plan to change it?

If somebody makes posts in support of the very thing we're discussing, then yeah, I'd say they're ok with it.

We can speculate all we want about how there may be a threat, may be a reason, cool, then it's the responsibility of the government to articulate that. Shit, I've got no idea if those mags are pinned to 15 as per Denver laws, so let's say they're full 30s for the sake of the argument. I'd say that's a bullshit law, as I think most people here would, but then DPD could just say here's a law they're breaking, we're declining to prosecute but we're seizing the illegal mags (I'd not be ok with them holding the guns/whatnot, but I could see that happening the same way we've seen say the game wardens take the truck someone used for poaching). That would be something. Instead we've got no stated crimes, no stated threat/intended crimes, just the seizure and silence as to why.

As far as being upset about this stuff? Yeah, I am. In addition to this incident, we can spend a few minutes going through any of the many of reddit threads showing atrocious police behavior before and during peaceful protests, as well as when being used to stop riotous behavior. As far as changing it? Shit I would've hoped enough people would be pissed off that we'd be getting real momentum going on an independent federal review board as well as drastically increasing hiring standards and use of force standards (see my post in the endgame thread for more, but it's nothing new or interesting), but seems instead we're just having abuses rationalized away or ignored because of some mythical antifa/soros/obama conspiracy that must be behind it on one side and the same issues being complained about as they were before on the other. I'll vote, I'll try to write/call/protest what I can, but yeah, thinking about how to change it really requires everybody being on board with "hey, this is pretty fucked" and seeing the reactions of people here and on other social media doesn't really give me hope that we'll see any unity on that.

[MrAK]

I’d be happy with an end to qualified immunity, civil asset forfeiture and no knock raids.

How about we address some of the obvious issues of abuse first.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Publicize a reason why, charge it, or return the stuff. Denver PD refuses to make any comment on how/why they were seized, not even an easy cop out like "part of an ongoing investigation". You're posting on a gun forum, in a state that's getting less 2A friendly, and you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them without any stated reason when they can't even point to a crime that may have been committed? That's absolutely not my jam.

Publicize information in the middle of an investigation is a bad idea that can lead to losing or compromising sources. Charging starts a clock so they shouldn't do that until their investigation and therefore case is nearly complete. I've said before that I think the LA DA screwed themselves by charging OJ Simpson too soon which led to a court case with logical holes and resulted in "reasonable doubt". In fact, charging creates negative consequences for the person being investigated that can go beyond a temporary property confiscation. It would seem to me like saying "part of an ongoing investigation" like you suggest ought to be a starting point but there are probably complications I'm not aware of.

The government should have to explain long term holds but you're complaining about this a few days after it occurred. There've been a few things over the past few days that might occupy their attentions more than issuing press statements.