What is the endgame for the all the nonsense going on?

[Irving]

We're all talking past each other anyway. I don't think anyone is even on the original subject at this point anyway.

[DavieD55]

IMO all the rioting and anarchy is not about George Floyd. It appears to be about the previous America hater administration and current America haters loosing power of the presidency and organizing riots under the guise of "justice for George Floyd". To take advantage of the situation in order to manufacture crisis to get all the nincompoops all riled up leading up to the next election and to blame America and the POTUS for all the bullshit and crisis they manufacture.

1% of those behind the riots are commie crooks who know exactly what they're doing leading the other 99% around for the fucking moron dupes and paid professional agitators that they are. Until the shitweasels who are behind the scenes of all this manufactured anarchy and crisis are indicted and prosecuted for their crimes they will likely continue on organizing riots and strife when they don't get their way. As time goes on they only get more emboldened and more powerful.

Their ultimate endgame is to stripe the American people of power in order to consolidate the power for themselves to control us and force their twisted communist agenda on America. They don't believe in a constitutional republic folks. They want to force a mob rule democracy on America and then through that channel, communsim.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't think you understand what Jiu jitsu is Kazoo.
Fox, who is taking about a weekend class? 20 hours is nothing. That's what, a weeks worth of training?

actually i do. 2 people in my old CO prayer group, were instructors and competed internationally . So yes i do know what it is.

[Great-Kazoo]

IMO all the rioting and anarchy is not about George Floyd. It appears to be about the previous America hater administration and current America haters loosing power of the presidency and organizing riots under the guise of "justice for George Floyd". To take advantage of the situation in order to manufacture crisis to get all the nincompoops all riled up leading up to the next election and to blame America and the POTUS for all the bullshit and crisis they manufacture.

1% of those behind the riots are commie crooks who know exactly what they're doing leading the other 99% around for the fucking moron dupes and paid professional agitators that they are. Until the shitweasels who are behind the scenes of all this manufactured anarchy and crisis are indicted and prosecuted for their crimes they will likely continue on organizing riots and strife when they don't get their way. As time goes on they only get more emboldened and more powerful.

Their ultimate endgame is to stripe the American people of power in order to consolidate the power for themselves to control us and force their twisted communist agenda on America. They don't believe in a constitutional republic folks. They want to force a mob rule democracy on America and then through that channel, communsim.

agree. Look at the face mask, hoodies, full color posters. That shit is not grass roots funded, when they show up around the country in a 24 hr period.

[waffles]

IMO all the rioting and anarchy is not about George Floyd. It appears to be about the previous America hater administration and current America haters loosing power of the presidency and organizing riots under the guise of "justice for George Floyd". To take advantage of the situation in order to manufacture crisis to get all the nincompoops all riled up leading up to the next election and to blame America and the POTUS for all the bullshit and crisis they manufacture.

1% of those behind the riots are commie crooks who know exactly what they're doing leading the other 99% around for the fucking moron dupes and paid professional agitators that they are. Until the shitweasels who are behind the scenes of all this manufactured anarchy and crisis are indicted and prosecuted for their crimes they will likely continue on organizing riots and strife when they don't get their way. As time goes on they only get more emboldened and more powerful.

Their ultimate endgame is to stripe the American people of power in order to consolidate the power for themselves to control us and force their twisted communist agenda on America. They don't believe in a constitutional republic folks. They want to force a mob rule democracy on America and then through that channel, communsim.

I think it's a lot easier to blame paid agitators and some huge conspiracy perpetrated by Obama and Hillary, two people so powerful and sinister they were blocked by republicans on all their political goals (including the presidency for Clinton) than to believe the country has rapidly changing demographics and viewpoints. You can combine the slew of horrible videos of police violence versus the unarmed with the realization that the democrats are going to keep nominating centrists that their own party does not like and won't help the poor/young, the slow (then rapid since 2015 or so) abandonment of any real republican principles beyond "gotta own the libs!", with a nice dusting of lockdowns and massive unemployment and you've absolutely got a recipe for this.

It's gotta be a more fun world to just be able to dismiss shit we don't like as some evil dem conspiracy, but the reality is that a lot of people are scared, fed up, and now have a lot of free time on their hands. You only get away with ignoring the complaints of people for so long before things like this happen, which we see again and again but never quite address it.

[VDW]

Back to the argument about training though, the only issue I see with my statement is that I said it should be required. VDW is correct, that would be difficult. It wouldn't HAVE to be a burden on the department though. People could seek their own training outside of the department. I'd actually encourage that. Any officer that takes their job, and their own personal safety seriously at all, would seek out additional training beyond the laughable amount provided by the department in the first place. Like in any other profession, most people wouldn't unless they are required. That goes for me to. I don't train in Jiu jitsu. I should, but I don't, and I don't even have a good reason not to.

To sum things up, the argument that officers shouldn't get additional combat training because fighting is hard and people do drugs is so stupid that I won't even bother to address it again. Should I stop wearing my seatbelt because it won't help me in a head on with a semi-truck at highway speeds?

I?m trying to wrap my head around what you?re saying. You want officers to master self/defense/offense on their own time/dime, but you don?t want gung ho types or bad asses that would be interested in those extra curricular activities? I take it you?re not a lawyer? A quick web search should yield a plethora of cases where cops were fired, had their asses sued off, and/or were criminally charged for using tactics not approved by, or taught by their department. That includes times where the improvised technique likely would have caused less injury and/or danger than the approved techniques. You?re proposing making an extremely difficult job impossible. There would be no way for an officer to do anything without being fired, arrested, or sued. Then they would get fired/sued for failure to act.

The results will be catastrophic, and I?m not talking about for the police officers. If the expectation is that the police can?t protect themselves or be expected to win every fight, the same will apply to civilians.

[VDW]

The thing is, he was already subdued. Get the hell off of him. Hogtie him and carry him to a car if you have to.

Hogties or hobbles have been widely banned in departments across the nation for being inhumane and ?causing? in-custody deaths. The officers did try multiple times with at least 3 officers to carry him and place him in a patrol car, but Floyd wasn?t having it. Also, as discussed earlier, drugs, especially stimulants, can make suspects extremely difficult to physically control, even when handcuffed. Floyd?s autopsy showed ?fentanyl intoxication? and recent methampetamine use. That probably goes to show why 3 officers were unable to get him in the car. That doesn?t excuse Chauvin, but it may explain why there were 3 officers on him or holding him in some of the photos.

One question I have is, where the hell was their supervisor (corporal, Sgt, etc. not senior officer)?

[MrPrena]

Hogties or hobbles have been widely banned in departments across the nation for being inhumane and ?causing? in-custody deaths. The officers did try multiple times with at least 3 officers to carry him and place him in a patrol car, but Floyd wasn?t having it. Also, as discussed earlier, drugs, especially stimulants, can make suspects extremely difficult to physically control, even when handcuffed. Floyd?s autopsy showed ?fentanyl intoxication? and recent methampetamine use. That probably goes to show why 3 officers were unable to get him in the car. That doesn?t excuse Chauvin, but it may explain why there were 3 officers on him or holding him in some of the photos.

One question I have is, where the hell was their supervisor (corporal, Sgt, etc. not senior officer)?

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[Bailey Guns]

Hogties were banned in the agency I worked for in the mid 90s. Positional asphyxiation was the thing everyone was worried about back then. We were warned to never leave anyone lying face down any longer than absolutely necessary. We still had the hobbles but we wrapped their ankles, sat them in the seat and shut the extra length in the door so they couldn't kick. Not nearly as effective but a lot safer.

[Gman]

Hogties were banned in the agency I worked for in the mid 90s. Positional asphyxiation was the thing everyone was worried about back then. We were warned to never leave anyone lying face down any longer than absolutely necessary. We still had the hobbles but we wrapped their ankles, sat them in the seat and shut the extra length in the door so they couldn't kick. Not nearly as effective but a lot safer.

Well...that then.

Whatever it takes besides killing somebody.