Atlanta Shooting

[MrPrena]

I supported that crazy hotel hallway vicitim, Indiana facebook live shot victim, Aurora old man with hearing aid victim, george, etc. However, this guy in Atlanta IS NOT A VICTIM. HE IS A CRAZY CRIMINAL who stole other person's (this case, it happened to be a police) weapon and try to use against it.

[Irving]

I think we're getting into the weeds here. I'd say that generally when you're not breaking the law, your chances of contact with law enforcement are lower.
I'd say that generally when you do have contact with law enforcement, compliance gets you a better outcome than resistance.

But I'd also say that generally your chances of having a decent encounter with law enforcement in either of the previous two statements goes up when you're white. The statistics might be small (like mass shootings, earthquakes, or terrorist attacks), but when they do happen they are generally serious and people tend to remember. Is that fair enough?

[crays]

I think we're getting into the weeds here. I'd say that generally when you're not breaking the law, your chances of contact with law enforcement are lower.
I'd say that generally when you do have contact with law enforcement, compliance gets you a better outcome than resistance.

But I'd also say that generally your chances of having a decent encounter with law enforcement in either of the previous two statements goes up when you're white. The statistics might be small (like mass shootings, earthquakes, or terrorist attacks), but when they do happen they are generally serious and people tend to remember. Is that fair enough?

You planted this particular garden. I think your first and second statements are generally fair. You kind of lose me on the third one by over-valuing the virtue of color. You even follow it up with a qualifier that it is basically statistically insignificant.

Short version: Try to be a law abiding citizen, and if encountered by LE, be courteous, respectful and compliant. Your chances of leaving the scene unscathed increase exponentially regardless of race, color, creed or religion. Fair enough?

[Great-Kazoo]

I think we're getting into the weeds here. I'd say that generally when you're not breaking the law, your chances of contact with law enforcement are lower.
I'd say that generally when you do have contact with law enforcement, compliance gets you a better outcome than resistance.

But I'd also say that generally your chances of having a decent encounter with law enforcement in either of the previous two statements goes up when you're white. The statistics might be small (like mass shootings, earthquakes, or terrorist attacks), but when they do happen they are generally serious and people tend to remember. Is that fair enough?

Chances of a better outcome increase based on how you interact with them. Doesn't matter the color of your skin.

in the mid 70's out motorcycle riding, there was continuous unwarranted LE stops on myself and others riding "choppers" Pulled over just because.
Usual drug search, loud pipes, horn not audible enough. Or what we called harassment. Then i was. SO what's the reason for being pulled over now!. Considering your partner stopped me 5 blocks from here for the same bullshit. That usually produced 1-2 more patrol cars, with guns drawn, or blatant hands on gun.

Going forward to the mid 80's (yeah it took 10 yrs) when stopped and asked. Do you know why i pulled you over? Possibly for some traffic infraction. as well as so how's your day going officer, still dealing with idiots who don't obey the speed limit. Or some small talk.

The different between WTF did i do wrong!!, to how's your day going, made the difference between 30 minutes of overt LE presence. Or, i'll let you off with a warning this time.

Same interaction if one of my "hispanic" buddies was driving. Start off polite and it usually ends the same way. Unless they say, Can you step out of the car. After finding out there's a warrant or two out for FTA. Really, who remembers to pay parking tickets?

[Irving]

Yes.

I have a hard time with the statistically insignificant stuff, because I think that, in the end, most things are statistically insignificant, given enough time or distance from the event. Example: the deaths from 9/11 would be statistically insignificant measured against just about any metric that counts ways, or how many people die from one cause. But, you'd have to go a long way away from the US in distance, time, or both, to find a person who would admit to feeling that way.

[Bailey Guns]

Well, if we're going to be honest, black males represent about 6 or 7 percent of the population. They commit a bit over 50% of all homicides. (Latest stats I could find) They also kill police officers at a much higher rate than whites. (Can't find that stat at the moment...it's significantly higher.)

Maybe there's a reason besides racism that black vs white encounters are more favorable to whites. Assuming that's even the case.

[crays]

So you're comparing a large scale terrorist act (9/11) as being statisticallly insignificant, so long you get to cherry-pick the comparison metrics, to a police brutality trigger event that is being bandied happily about by the left and the msm to foment unrest, all while other instances of (for the sake of this protest) blacks being murdered, whites being murdered and police of all colors are being murdered and given practically ZERO attention by the left and msm?

Statistical insignificance aside, what you should have a problem with is that a single event is being used to turn almost the entire world upside down, with no regard for the final cost, while other egregious actions happening IN THE SAME TIME FRAME are almost totally ignored unless they can be used/spun to further the agenda. And that, is DECIDEDLY NOT insignificant, IMO.

[Jumpstart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY&t=26s

Chris Rock and MLK

[Irving]

So you're comparing a large scale terrorist act (9/11) as being statisticallly insignificant, so long you get to cherry-pick the comparison metrics, to a police brutality trigger event that is being bandied happily about by the left and the msm to foment unrest, all while other instances of (for the sake of this protest) blacks being murdered, whites being murdered and police of all colors are being murdered and given practically ZERO attention by the left and msm?


Statistical insignificance aside, what you should have a problem with is that a single event is being used to turn almost the entire world upside down, with no regard for the final cost, while other egregious actions happening IN THE SAME TIME FRAME are almost totally ignored unless they can be used/spun to further the agenda. And that, is DECIDEDLY NOT insignificant, IMO.

No, you're projecting what I think now. You suggested I was saying something was statistically insignificant, and I was agreeing, but taking a side bar to explain that I don't like that argument, and explain why. I'm not comparing 9/11 to anything and it shouldn't be part of the discussion.

There are so many moving parts to what's going on right now that it's almost not worth in engaging in debate about it because everyone can find a niche aspect to be dissatisfied with. I'm not happy with the way the media is doing what the media always does. I'm not happy that social media is now a tool for the news, individual people, and corporations alike to project one virtue signal or another that they think will drum up the most likes, views, discussions, etc. I don't like that suburban white kids that likely can't even relate to why the black community would be mad are using this as an excuse to riot and get away with general destruction that has no message, no direction, no objective, no anything other than the desire to go cause trouble. I don't like how people who aren't out protesting, tend to just brush everything off with simple expressions that are no more thoughtful than commenting on the weather. "Don't commit crimes and there won't be any trouble." If things were that simple, none of this would be happening.

I'm sure there are ten other directions to go from here, but in short, I don't like any of it. One thing that we can all agree on, is that even I'm sick of making a bunch of knee-jerk comments and firing up debates. Like another member said to me, some of these threads are like pushing on a sore tooth in your mouth. You know you shouldn't do it, and the result is never good, but you keep doing it. I'll try to ratchet back my snark when I read something I disagree with, since I know there are 50 other people standing ready at their keyboards ready to point out dumb stuff I say.

[crays]

52 actually...