Many people with common sense would not go to that kinda place at a first place.
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Many people with common sense would not go to that kinda place at a first place.
Anybody wonder what is in that backpack? I've had smaller loadouts for overnight trips in the desert.
Me too. Which is why I have a hate the fact that people typically only quote the first sentence from Heinlein: "An armed society is a polite society."Originally Posted by CS1983
That makes it sound as if everyone is on good behaviour only because they fear being shot.
The full quote: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Makes it quite clear that it's the ARMED person that's on their best behavior to avoid having to use deadly force.
In other words most people completely misunderstand what the quote is saying.
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YOU are the first responder. Police, fire and medical are SECOND responders.
When seconds count, the police are mere minutes away...
Gun registration is gun confiscation in slow motion.
My feedback: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/53226-O2HeN2
Recognizing that some haven't seen the videos:
The issue isn't with his attendance at the protest, but prior to this shooting, he was walking through the crowd of protesters, and apparently got pissed off at one specific woman with her arms up in close proximity, walking next to him barricading him from getting closer to the statute, so it appears unprovoked, he grabbed her and literally threw her on the ground. Undoubtedly, her actions would led to frustration, but it didn't appear that she was escalating to physical force or restraint etc. against him prior to his escalation at any time.
That precipitated protesters coming after him. I bet there's a lot of people here that would have come after him if they saw a guy yank a woman and throw her to the ground too out of the blue.
There's little doubt he was in fear from his life from Mr. Knife guy, and certainly Mr. Knife guy and Mr. Skateboard guy had no justification, many of the others were pursuing to "get a license plate" e.g. to report the assault, but I think the big question for a prosecutor/jury is :
Did he have the power to avoid the confrontation in the first place... e.g. by not throwing a woman to the ground? And that right there is where he's probably going to be in the can (or probation or whatever) no matter what his justification for shooting is, both for assault in the original instance, and for whatever NM's equivalent law is for attempted homicide of some degree, which he'll have to plead down. That's how this appears to roll from the outside.
You appear to have a very strange understanding of the word "unprovoked" (and that's assuming no deliberate intent to use disingenuous language)...
You left out:Legally, it is unprovoked physical violence. It's not acceptable provocation to use physical violence when someone pisses you off. The "she pissed me off by being mouthy and her arm was in my way" is never a valid excuse for "provocation" to physically assault anyone, whether someone you know (spouse) or someone you don't (protester), you'll get charged.Undoubtedly, her actions would led to frustration
To escalate to physical violence and throw someone to the ground, a person needs actual physical provocation beyond being unable to control their own emotions, being frustrated, or potentially being an asshole. Most people have that kind of personal restraint. Blue shirt, obviously does not. And if someone does not have that personal restraint, they need to stay the heck away from hostile situations, especially when being there* of their own volition.
ETA: Fixed it right "their".
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"What is Battery?
The New Mexico criminal statutes define battery as the unlawful, intentional touching or application of force to the person of another, when done in a rude, insolent or angry manner. Striking another person with a fist during an argument or pushing someone are straightforward examples of battery. A more unusual example is touching another in a sexually suggestive manner through the person?s clothing, without the person?s consent."
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...d-assault-laws
If I were the shooter, this is what I'd charge the woman with.
Te occidere possunt sed te edere non possunt nefas est
Sane person with a better sight picture
Prosecutor elects to charge, often at the request of a RP, occasionally mandated by law to charge, but they are otherwise not obligated to charge anything no matter what someone demands. Even on plain-text of your description of a description it doesn't match. She had her arm up and stood in the way. Probably was being mouthy, who knows. Even if/when they touched because he wanted to go x and she was standing at y, he's intentionally touching her just as much as she is touching him. At best, if you could find a statute of impeding access to a public right away or something, if such a thing exists, that could apply, because she keeps moving to block his way. Even then, a prosecutor -elected - isn't going to charge that woman for anything, and it all fails at the consideration that courts are not actually courts of law, in the sense that a judge's personal bias and public optics determine anyone's outcome; the law is hardly applicable from the inset.
"The female protester shoved my eyeglasses into the bridge of my nose and into my eye with her arm!"
Liberals never met a slippery slope they didn't grease.
-Me
I wish technology solved people issues. It seems to just reveal them.
-Also Me
I do also love the sentiment.....citizens wouldn't feel the need to protect monuments if the fking police chiefs and politicians were not nationwide having police stand back and let these things go on and happen.
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