SCOTUS just gave half of Oklahoma back to the Indians?

[FoxtArt]

I think required learning in U.S. curriculum should be to see an animated map of geographic political borders as they have changed over the last 4,000 years.

It really gives perspective both to the fragility of our current nation and perspective on the frivolity of arguing who did what or violated whatever 200 years ago. As a matter of sociology, you'd be hard pressed to find an territorial agreement that was truly honored for more than a century in modern human history. And just look how the world borders have changed in the course of our short lives - everything from USSR, eastern Europe, Africa, parts of south America, Asia, etc. constantly shifting around.

How many people from all of those areas have a valid argument of "Well, this dirt used to be drawn inside a geopolitical border of Zaire, I don't recognize the governance of the DRC and demand you give it back to Zaire!" That's not to say it doesn't suck, but if people want a Utopia, they're going to have to rewrite our genetic code using CRISPR because it's quite obvious that people aren't capable of respecting imaginary lines for terribly long, no matter who they are.

ETA: If we get stuck arguing about ancient historical claims too, it becomes more frivolous in the macro because where do you draw a line. E.g. why does Ute have a claim over Fremont (whoever the hell they actually are?). Should we try to track down genetic ancestors of Fremont Indians and give them the Ute reservations? And so on, and so forth. If we're relying on historical claims of title to dirt after the loss of political boundaries, pragmatically nobody is going to win a claim to anything.

[hurley842002]

Yes some of them are racist, and have many hate. Okay I get it.

I had an experienced it before and it really made me uncomfortsble.

Short story:
Around 2009, we had a family friend who has a shop in Sioux falls and Cheyenne WY.
He wanted to expand their business to Grand Island NE, and he brought his employees from Sioux falls.
I decide to help him set up a business as an experience (compensated as well on a discounted friend rate).

Those 2 guys from sioux falls were very fun to work with iluntil they were talking about race and etc. At first hour, I thought they were kidding, but seems like they make joke out of it from dislikeness of a race.

Comment that really got me uncomfortable and I am not even white.

"White men cant be trusted. They took our land and got us drunk."
While holding a box cutter.. "hahahaha Robber become a ROBEE!!"

Then he told me that government tries to put them into the reserves etc.

I told my family friend about this because one of potential pissed off customer can really make him miserable.
He said think of them as a funny beavis and butthead.

I thought I was talking to native skinheads.

Reminds me of a time my boys and I were walking through the indigenous people's section (really cool display, that I highly recommend seeing if you get a chance) at the Denver museum.

This family of what I have to assume were natives, were in front of us just trashing the white man until they finally broke off to another section. What they didn't realize, is I'm a small part Choctaw from my dad's side, and my boys have that, plus Navajo from my wife. Now I get it, neither my wife or I are full blood, or even hold tribal membership, but my ancestors were part of the trail of tears. You never know who's family tree was part of some terrible incident from the past, but at the end of the day, it has zero affect on me.

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[cstone]

Reservations are what you get when the government promises to take care of you.

The Carlisle Indian School is what you get when you agree to let the government assimilate your children.

DNA testing and blood purity is one of the strange things I still can't wrap my head around when it comes to tribal citizenship.

Does anyone know if the Navajo Nation finalized their purchase of Remington?

[Gman]

The world works on the premise of 'take it' or 'hold it'. If you're not willing to fight to keep it, someone will take it. It's the nature of....nature.

We just like to kid ourselves that we're "civilized". Once things get tough and survival becomes the priority, civility buys you nothing.

[CS1983]

What will be interesting is when the Casinos tell the state gov to get stuffed cus it's tribal land anyway.

[MrPrena]

Speaking of Indian and indigenous people.
Sentineli and the North Sentinel Islanders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese

[Irving]

What will be interesting is when the Casinos tell the state gov to get stuffed cus it's tribal land anyway.

I'm under the impression that once any significant money is made on res land, be it casinos or oil, the fed steps in quick and controls that stuff.

[Zundfolge]

Reservations are what you get when the government promises to take care of you.

Honestly, genocide would have been kinder and more respective of Native cultures than the quasi Marxist commune reservation system we've inflicted on the NAs.

Genocide or forced integration, either would have been better for them than what they have now (as horrible an option those would have been).

[CS1983]

I'm under the impression that once any significant money is made on res land, be it casinos or oil, the fed steps in quick and controls that stuff.

I'm not sure what the fed involvement is but the tribes have a compact with the state, which doesn't make sense to me anyway since I understood the res to hold an almost sovereign territory status.

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