Government School and Home Schooling

[CS1983]

Principles of art and music?

The only principle is enjoyment by the beholder.

No. Music imbues emotions and influences thought. Same with Art.

Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form.

- Aristotle, Ref: https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-dec...culture_plato#!

Why do you think we as a culture have slid so far? the music which our parents and grandparents were warned about by their parents is positively TAME compared to some stuff today.

Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole state, and ought to be prohibited. When modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the state always change with them.

- Plato; Ibid.
To claim the only principle is enjoyment by the beholder smacks of an extreme ignorance of music itself, which by said ignorance actually disallows true enjoyment.

Can one imagine an Appalachian murder ballad set in a modern major key? The exuberance of spring in a jig or reel set in a minor key? Of course not. It would grate upon the nerves, mind, and soul. It would be inherently unprincipled and ultimately, discordant.

Here's a site which talks about the 4 Classical temperaments and their relation to the classical modes of music (scroll down for the chart):
https://www.fisheaters.com/fourtemperaments.html

If this is confusing or new, this series of articles by Fr. Christian Kappes shed better light on how these things relate to the natural and supernatural (spiritual life), and how they can be used or abused:
https://www.academia.edu/5271941/The_Four_Temperaments

That Music and Art HAVE principles is exactly why "SuperFunRockBand Church" is a steaming pile of spiritual dog shit: devoid of art which *raises the heart and soul to God*, the music sucks, and it's all about "enjoyment". Guess what? Natural life isn't that way and NEITHER IS the spiritual life, as evidenced by not only thousands of years of experience, but also Scripture itself.

All of this is easily transferable to the culture at large, and why we see a big pile of steaming poop. Nothing is good. Nothing is beautiful. Nothing is principled. Nothing is true. It's all an illusion brought about by the humanist fantasies of a bunch of folks who set about to fabricate a reality from the wreckage of the societies they would wreck to rip away the building materials. And then we wonder why nothing fits? No, friend. Not at all.

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The Good and The Beautiful YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYT...aKYneFgxFw_T1Q

[Aloha_Shooter]

Basic personal accounting should be on the list, and higher than most.

Yep. I took "Personal Finance" in either my Sophomore or Junior year of HS.

I didn't list personal finance solely because I think that starts earlier. Personally, I think any boy/girl should know how to balance a checkbook, do home inventory, and manage their funds by 8th grade (if not 6th). I used to stretch my bus and haircut money from my parents so I had money for comics -- in retrospect, I'm sure they knew what I was doing (kind of hard to miss the hair going from short cut to shaggy mess over 4 weeks and then cycle back instead of staying closely groomed every 2 weeks) but they figured I was learning to manage my funds.

[Zundfolge]

No. Music imbues emotions and influences thought. Same with Art.

There are also practical reasons to teach Music Theory in that it enhance one's ability to learn languages and mathematics.

[CS1983]

There are also practical reasons to teach Music Theory in that it enhance one's ability to learn languages and mathematics.

Yes, though the unfortunate compartmentalization of all education has reduced the effectiveness of cohesive studies. We go from box to box, instead of seeing the beautiful whole within the larger boundaries.

My oldest brother completed his PhD in Educational Leadership with a dissertation about the improvement of music students in math and science, vs those who did not take music.

[CS1983]

I didn't list personal finance solely because I think that starts earlier. Personally, I think any boy/girl should know how to balance a checkbook, do home inventory, and manage their funds by 8th grade (if not 6th). I used to stretch my bus and haircut money from my parents so I had money for comics -- in retrospect, I'm sure they knew what I was doing (kind of hard to miss the hair going from short cut to shaggy mess over 4 weeks and then cycle back instead of staying closely groomed every 2 weeks) but they figured I was learning to manage my funds.

I went without lunch, and ate the scraps from others, for my entire 6th grade year to save enough to buy a broadsword from a neighborhood kid. Lol

[Irving]

I didn't list personal finance solely because I think that starts earlier. Personally, I think any boy/girl should know how to balance a checkbook, do home inventory, and manage their funds by 8th grade (if not 6th). I used to stretch my bus and haircut money from my parents so I had money for comics -- in retrospect, I'm sure they knew what I was doing (kind of hard to miss the hair going from short cut to shaggy mess over 4 weeks and then cycle back instead of staying closely groomed every 2 weeks) but they figured I was learning to manage my funds.

Those are the kinds of assumptions that have been failing people for centuries.

[Gman]

Personal finance goes further than saving your lunch money.

I didn't get an 'allowance'. I was expected to do chores as a responsible contribution to the household. (And in hindsight my parents couldn't afford it)

If I wanted something, I had to earn it. I had summer jobs since 6th grade and was on W-2 food service jobs when allowed by state govt. at 13.

Fundamentals and work ethic begins at home, but 'personal finance' in school goes much further.

[Irving]

They teach sex Ed every few years in school. I think I took some form of sex Ed at least four different times. Some sort of personal household and maybe very basic business accounting principles should be taught EVERY year. Even if just for a semester.

[Great-Kazoo]

They teach sex Ed every few years in school. I think I took some form of sex Ed at least four different times. Some sort of personal household and maybe very basic business accounting principles should be taught EVERY year. Even if just for a semester.

Don't forget Home Economics. Can't cook if you don't know how. Although, there's who knows how many people who only know how to use a microwave.

[CS1983]

Personal finance goes further than saving your lunch money.

I didn't get an 'allowance'. I was expected to do chores as a responsible contribution to the household. (And in hindsight my parents couldn't afford it)

If I wanted something, I had to earn it. I had summer jobs since 6th grade and was on W-2 food service jobs when allowed by state govt. at 13.

Fundamentals and work ethic begins at home, but 'personal finance' in school goes much further.

Yes, of course, but the larger driving point is that kids understand such things inherently and should be taught how to channel those things later.

Guess I should have mentioned picking up cigarette butts in people's yards, mowing lawns, odd jobs, etc.

The reality of budgeting is actually so strict, that even many on here who think they are doing well actually SUCK. Vehicle(s) not paid off? you suck. Credit card debt? you suck. Etc.

I guarantee Dave Ramsey would howl with sad laughter at many. Most people who think they have a good skill with budgeting/personal finance are no better than high functioning alcoholics or coke heads. The only difference is their addiction: materialism.