Don't know what to think - Polymer80 raided by ATF

[CS1983]

If it's only 80% of a spoon you're OK though.

What happens in the field stays in the field, man.

[Eric P]

Keeping customer records on unregulated goods... bad move P80. Make it painful for the alphabet soups to do thier job at least.

Its also stupid we even need background checks for a constitutionally guaranteed right. Trump was never pro 2A except when begging for votes from certain crowds.

[Grant H.]

It really is unfortunate that they kept all those records when they didn't have to.

It's been touched on a couple times here, but this comes down to crossing the ATF's "recent" decision that the jig and rails can't be included with the receiver in the same part number. Why does this matter when everyone simply puts the second part number on the order? Who knows... Out of the old saying "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" they clearly choose bullshit every time.

This also seems very reminiscent of the old "build days" at HPM that got shut down. Too much stuff in one spot and too simple to finish.

[VolksDragon]

So I was thinking...the fact that I have never been, but am now strongly considering picking up a few of these P80 kits probably means this ATF stunt is going to do phenomenal things for their sales. As most regulatory interference does, I suppose.

[VolksDragon]

Keeping customer records on unregulated goods... bad move P80.

I mean...doesn't every online merchant do this for the most part, though? I know for certain Amazon, Natchez, SGAmmo, Primary Arms, etc can probably tell me everything I've ever ordered, and I'm sure their CC provider can do the same. Doesn't mean I'm a fan of such record keeping, but I doubt they set out to retain those records nefariously. It probably helped them that they DID have those records, especially since deleting everything all VPN style would look super sketchy.

[Grant H.]

So I was thinking...the fact that I have never been, but am now strongly considering picking up a few of these P80 kits probably means this ATF stunt is going to do phenomenal things for their sales. As most regulatory interference does, I suppose.

Lots of folks are probably thinking this way too.

Now, they may be looking at the other manufacturers, but this kind of thing is only going to drive sales higher.

I mean...doesn't every online merchant do this for the most part, though? I know for certain Amazon, Natchez, SGAmmo, Primary Arms, etc can probably tell me everything I've ever ordered, and I'm sure their CC provider can do the same. Doesn't mean I'm a fan of such record keeping, but I doubt they set out to retain those records nefariously. It probably helped them that they DID have those records, especially since deleting everything all VPN style would look super sketchy.

If they had, from the beginning, not kept those records then it wouldn't be a problem.

I agree though, if they had been and then decided to delete it, that would have been a whole different problem.

[MrPrena]

Article.

If ATF Comes A Knocking, Only Surrender Your 80% Frame or Receiver Under Protest!

Joshua Prince, Esq. Joshua Prince, Esq.


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"Be aware that the agent may attempt to have you sign an ATF 3400.1 Form ? Consent to Forfeiture or Destruction of Property and Waiver of Notice ? which you should NOT sign under ANY circumstance. In the event that they ask you to sign an ATF 3400.1, inform them that the only ATF form you are willing to sign is an ATF 3400.23 ? Receipt of Property and Other Items, as the ATF 3400.23 does not contain language, wherein you agree to the forfeiture/destruction of your property."

https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/12/1...r-protest/amp/

[DireWolf]

It's been touched on a couple times here, but this comes down to crossing the ATF's "recent" decision that the jig and rails can't be included with the receiver in the same part number.

Everything I've seen on this so far has mentioned the build & shoot kits, which are the ones that come with everything (slide, bbl, lpk, fcg, etc.)...

Haven't seen anything yet that indicated the basic p80 kits (just frame, jig/bits, and metal rails) were also in the crosshairs, at least currently.

[battlemidget]

It's not like Polymer80 included a free wall hanger...

[Grant H.]

Everything I've seen on this so far has mentioned the build & shoot kits, which are the ones that come with everything (slide, bbl, lpk, fcg, etc.)...

Haven't seen anything yet that indicated the basic p80 kits (just frame, jig/bits, and metal rails) were also in the crosshairs, at least currently.

GlockStore and 80Percent had to sell the jig and rails separately.

80Percent is selling kits that include all the parts minus the jig/rails.

Due to recently changed ATF regulations, we cannot legally include the jig or frame rails with the GST-9 frame. The jig and GST-9 frame must be purchased on our website as two separate items. Each jig includes one set of GST-9 frame rails. You will need to purchase one jig for every GST-9 frame you plan to build. Frame rails are ONLY included with the jig, not with the 80% lower itself.

ETA:

The focus on the buy, build, shoot kits is solely driven by the stupid DC court case.

As soon as they successfully take away the BBS kits, without a ton of pushback, I wouldn't be surprised if the confiscation expanded to include frames sold with the rails/jigs after the "regulation" changed.