Capital stormed etc

[clodhopper]

It seems like if everyone is a "RINO" maybe we need to reflect on what we think a republican is. Neither party resembles the ones of my youth. Perhaps we should stop trying to put +300 million Americans into a "one or the other". Us vs them, 51% vs 49% is stupid and tearing the country apart. The 2 party system does not work. This country didn't start as a 2 party only system, it happened over time. We need to evolve the f*** out of it. We reap what we sow.

The US has been a 2 party system for almost as long as it has existed. Not always the same 2, for example the Whigs collapsed and were replaced by the GOP. We are talking 2 primary parties, there are a bunch of little 3rd parties out there but are generally insignificant. Just having more parties isnt necessarily a solution. The reason I say that is look at the parliamentary systems in Canada and England and consider the amount of deal making necessary to get a majority. Our elections would also require this to get to the 270 electoral votes. So either the smaller parties combine with a bigger one early on, or they just throw all their electoral votes to another after the election, it will ultimately still come down to a 2 party system, with a whole bunch of sleazy deal making for it to happen. There will be just as many, if not more, disgruntled people.

The system isnt perfect. But as many have said, that while not perfect, it is better than any other alternative currently known.

[Delfuego]

it will ultimately still come down to a 2 party system, with a whole bunch of sleazy deal making for it to happen. There will be just as many, if not more, disgruntled people.

The system isnt perfect. But as many have said, that while not perfect, it is better than any other alternative currently known.

At this point, I'm not sure we can have more disgruntled people or sleazy politics

I disagree it is a better system. It is the oldest modern democracy and it's showing it's age. I do not believe it was designed with the ability to support +300 million people in the digital age. It clearly is dysfunctional, possibly imploding. Both sides are intractable and do not represent a vast portion of their constituents. We cannot continue to be asked to hold our nose at the ballot box. If we do not adapt we may cease to exist. I do not want that to happen. I don't want a revolution. We pride ourselves that we Americans lead the world in innovation, well why not with here?

[Singlestack]

At this point, I'm not sure we can have more disgruntled people or sleazy politics

I disagree it is a better system. It is the oldest modern democracy and it's showing it's age. I do not believe it was designed with the ability to support +300 million people in the digital age. It clearly is dysfunctional, possibly imploding. Both sides are intractable and do not represent a vast portion of their constituents. We cannot continue to be asked to hold our nose at the ballot box. If we do not adapt we may cease to exist. I do not want that to happen. I don't want a revolution. We pride ourselves that we Americans lead the world in innovation, well why not with here?

Nobody wants a revolution except those pushing for it - the far left through the mainstream TV and print media, social media, the Dem party, the deep state, big tech, and academia. Given the power they now wield, how coordinated they are, and the blood lust it is only a matter of time. Although I pray for the opposite, absent divine intervention this is going to go very bad in the not too distant future. Overreach is now a given and with even more newfound power and the cowardice from those that claim to represent us and the courts, we WILL be made to care. You can only have peace if both sides want that.

[clodhopper]

At this point, I'm not sure we can have more disgruntled people or sleazy politics

I disagree it is a better system. It is the oldest modern democracy and it's showing it's age. I do not believe it was designed with the ability to support +300 million people in the digital age. It clearly is dysfunctional, possibly imploding. Both sides are intractable and do not represent a vast portion of their constituents. We cannot continue to be asked to hold our nose at the ballot box. If we do not adapt we may cease to exist. I do not want that to happen. I don't want a revolution. We pride ourselves that we Americans lead the world in innovation, well why not with here?

I agree with most of your points. Much of the rules/requirements/procedures were put in place before the internet age when it took much longer to accomplish things and there needed to be time for communication from distant places. So some of that could be updated I guess, but it really isnt holding things back. Besides, a slow, plodding, locked up government was what the founders were shooting for as it prevents rapid swings imposed by the latest and greatest social ideas.

I would ask you.... what would you replace it with? It sounds like you have an idea of what we should be doing. I hope you arent one of those that bitch about what they have been given but have never put any thought into what could be better.

Americans have been "holding their nose" at the ballot box for generations. The current crop of crappy politicians is not just a recent thing. There have been some better options in times past (of course that depends on your party affiliation of course), but those were far in between with a bunch of self centered jackasses the rest of the time. People tend to wear the rose colored glasses over past elected politicians and forget the political rambunctious times those officials worked through. Reagan and JFK are now pretty much viewed as good or even excellent presidents, but each was highly criticized at the time for things they did and were constantly battered by the other party. Hold your nose? How about Johnson/Goldwater in 64? Messy election over two not great options.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It seems like if everyone is a "RINO" maybe we need to reflect on what we think a republican is. Neither party resembles the ones of my youth. Perhaps we should stop trying to put +300 million Americans into a "one or the other". Us vs them, 51% vs 49% is stupid and tearing the country apart. The 2 party system does not work. This country didn't start as a 2 party only system, it happened over time. We need to evolve the f*** out of it. We reap what we sow.

The country absolutely did start as a two party system albeit with fringe interests -- which is effectively what we have today. As far as how you categorize the parties, Jerry Pournelle covered that over 40 years ago:



However, bear in mind that everything from games theory to practical experience says that it effectively boils down to a two-party system (just what two parties and what their core beliefs -- if any -- are is subject to discussion). Multi-party systems are just ways to get one side to fragment so the "party" with the largest plurality can dominate. Note that the Democrat party and associated interests have moved down to the extreme lower right quadrangle (5, 1) in recent years.

[BushMasterBoy]

The press is reporting 15,000 troops in DC for the inauguration. They are also advising for the public not to attend the city for the event.

[Great-Kazoo]

The press is reporting 15,000 troops in DC for the inauguration. They are also advising for the public (if you're a republican)not to attend the city for the event.

[Bailey Guns]

They are also advising for the public not to attend the city for the event.

I'll be more than happy to comply with that request.

[fitz19d]

They zapped even ol Ron Paul sr's account and he was hardly a huge trump fan. Rand wrote the fucking Breona Taylor bill ffs.

[Singlestack]

The Dems are after punishing anyone who doesn't agree with them, not just Trump and donors/voters. They have a rigid ideology that does not allow for partial agreement/partial disagreement. To avoid their wrath, you have to toe the line of their latest redefined word or crazy thought. Ron Paul is very much a Libertarian with conservative instincts - 2 strikes against him to the true facists.