Capital stormed etc

[BushMasterBoy]

This is the face of the enemy.

[20X11]

The 2 party system can work...the issue is one of money(campaign finance).
1. Out of State money shouldn't be allowed to fund State elections (Congress, Senators, , Governors, State Ballot issues)
2. PACs need to be reeled in and audited
3. Disqualification/ removal of elected reps who are found to have violated
4. In this day and age, ALL money is traceable/audit-able.

[hollohas]

Is this just to help pay for the 15k NG coming to town?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...y-declaration/

[clodhopper]

I have, and not just starting this week. I think everyone in the USA has an aversion to the work Parliament (picturing wigs) or Prime Minister (similar reasons). These system are newer than our and have advantages and disadvantages also, but I think they are not bad. Would it be terrible if our politicians we forced to find consensus instead of being able to retreat into their respective corners and collect a paycheck for 4-6 years of f*** all?

I work with a number of foreign companies and often get the time to talk over these type of things. One thing I hear over and over is the Parliament system sucks, and the US system would be preferred. I have come to the point were I see it as the grass is greener type of thing but it is really just as greenish brown but has a slightly different taste.

I worked with a Tunisian for a few years and learned that politicians there are issued a set amount of taxpayer funds to use for campaigning. They are audited and only allowed to use the funds for certain things and cannot make use of any other funds. Now, I also learned that the system there is badly corrupt and it doesnt work as well as it sounds for that country. But the idea is intriguing as a manner to resolve the "money in elections" problem.

[n8tive97]

I wish I could say I was surprised that Trump s*** on Pence on Twitter. I will say it is saddening, I've always appreciated Pence and his ability to keep his mouth shut which he still does to this day. I think it's official, there's nobody left that Trump hasn't flamed except for Melania and Pence's wife. Melania because she can take his assets, Pence's wife because she'd probably slap the orange right off. Everyone else though, has been overrated, didn't have courage, were out for themselves, next to satan, working with the democrats, weak, blah blah blah blah blah. What a legacy to leave on exit. You'd think he could say "THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER THESE YEARS DEAR FRIEND".

I think in the future, when someone cuts me off in traffic I'm going to say "TRUMP YOU" when I'm pissed off.

Boo freaking woo.... SMH

[Osmosis]

What other dimensions do you think are needed? I can?t think of a single political faction that can?t be plotted on that grid with complete clarity (as opposed to the traditional Left-Right spectrum).

I would add an axis for likelihood to vote.
Trump (like Obama before him) brought out people who had been so turned off, so cynical, about our (one party) government that they were effectively new voters. That was a great thing. But I fear that energy has been squandered by Trump's incompetence and indifference to doing his job.

[FoxtArt]

We could also add a "maaannn" ----> "sir" dimension. Sort of a hybrid of respect and intelligence. So many politicians base comes from the left side of that.

[Duman]

Interesting graphic, though it's only two-dimensional. Realistically need at least two or three more dimensions.

1. Economic theory
2. Environmental theory - conserve, preserve, or total exploitation
3. Freedom - speech, religion, etc.

Anyone can argue a distillation of complex attributes into a bucket with a label.

It gets messy when you add people.

[Rucker61]

1. Economic theory
2. Environmental theory - conserve, preserve, or total exploitation
3. Freedom - speech, religion, etc.

Anyone can argue a distillation of complex attributes into a bucket with a label.

It gets messy when you add people.

Well, yeah, you gotta chop'em up pretty good to fit them in a bucket.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I would add an axis for likelihood to vote.
Trump (like Obama before him) brought out people who had been so turned off, so cynical, about our (one party) government that they were effectively new voters. That was a great thing. But I fear that energy has been squandered by Trump's incompetence and indifference to doing his job.

Likelihood to vote is not a factor in describing political theories or theories/philosophies of government. I don’t know that it can be used to describe any particular political faction. It is useful for predicting election outcomes but not in describing the factions themselves.

1. Economic theory
2. Environmental theory - conserve, preserve, or total exploitation
3. Freedom - speech, religion, etc.

Anyone can argue a distillation of complex attributes into a bucket with a label.

It gets messy when you add people.

I think #3 falls under the statism axis. Pournelle’s chart explains why factions with theoretically polar economic theories often found common cause. RINOs with slightly liberal Democrats or violent Marxists with the IRA or violent anti-Western terrorists. Corporate welfare types with non-violent Socialists. I’m happy to hear of potential improvements but really haven’t seen anything better for charting and understanding political alignments in over 35 years.