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    File a police report but based on feedback from other people in similar situations the cops won?t do anything about it, just another petty theft to them. Contact the ATF as well so that the serial numbers get put on the stolen firearm list.

    As far as things being illegal, the Denver law is vague in definition and I believe just says any firearm that has a magazine over 15 rounds, so basically if you have an AR with a 10 round mag in it it?s ok but if it has a 30 round mag it?s illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by def90 View Post
    File a police report but based on feedback from other people in similar situations the cops won?t do anything about it, just another petty theft to them. Contact the ATF as well so that the serial numbers get put on the stolen firearm list.

    As far as things being illegal, the Denver law is vague in definition and I believe just says any firearm that has a magazine over 15 rounds, so basically if you have an AR with a 10 round mag in it it?s ok but if it has a 30 round mag it?s illegal.
    Would the ATF be interested if they're not NFA?

    As Baily Guns indicated, they get entered into CCIC/NCIC databases regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brutal View Post
    Would the ATF be interested if they're not NFA?

    As Baily Guns indicated, they get entered into CCIC/NCIC databases regardless.
    I've heard enough stories of local PDs not entering guns in to the database to say it wouldn't hurt.

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    The ATF doesn't care. This is not a federal crime. They'll refer you to your local PD. And it's not "petty theft". It's burglary. It's a felony (or perhaps multiple felonies depending on circumstances). The patrol officer that takes the report is not going to be the officer that follows up on the investigation. It will be followed up by the detective division, most likely by detectives that do nothing but burglaries. Once they see the report they'll be able to compare it to other, similar incidents. This might be the missing link case they need to solve an entire series of crimes. You never know.

    Maybe, just maybe, let's try giving this member some advice based on real experience so he does the right thing instead of relying on "enough stories" of dubious value. I know, I know...that's just crazy talk.

    It may not be the patrol officer that enters information. As a matter of fact, it probably won't be. But it will get entered. Because if it's not there will be someone answering for that oversight once the case is picked up by detectives. I've worked at agencies where things like serial numbers were entered by various means...from officers with access to CCIC doing it themselves, to calling dispatch with the appropriate information to clerks that are assigned to do that sort of thing. Just depends on the agency. It's quite likely in this more modern age (as opposed to my dated experience) the officer might even be able to enter the numbers/descriptions from his car MDT. It's not rocket surgery.

    OP...do yourself a favor. Meet the officers, give them the info you have, and let them begin their initial investigation and submit their report(s). Don't worry about what type of gun you have...not only will they likely not care what type gun you have, but they probably won't even know anything about it other than what you tell them. Most cops are not really gun savvy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Maybe, just maybe, let's try giving this member some advice based on real experience so he does the right thing instead of relying on "enough stories" of dubious value. I know, I know...that's just crazy talk.
    You, sir, are my hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    The ATF doesn't care. This is not a federal crime. They'll refer you to your local PD. And it's not "petty theft". It's burglary. It's a felony (or perhaps multiple felonies depending on circumstances).
    The evil x who stole my guns was charged and convicted of federal crimes for stealing guns. The judge asked the ATF prosecutor why it was a federal crime. She basically said since the guns crossed state lines for me to purchase (but never left the state after being stolen) it was a federal crime.

    All guns recovered at pawn shops since they checked serial numbers.
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    The only time I personally ever saw the ATF involved in a firearms theft investigation was when the theft was from an FFL or some federal agency/property. I don't know the circumstances of your case so I can't comment on it. Generally, the ATF doesn't deal with firearms theft outside of theft from FFLs or unless there is some other direct connection to the federal government. This is from the ATF website:

    ATF does not take reports of stolen firearms from private citizens:

    If you are an individual needing assistance in obtaining a serial number for a firearm, ATF is unable to assist private citizens in locating serial numbers as there is no national registration system. One of the following options may assist you:

    Contact the firearms dealer where you purchased the firearm.

    If the firearms dealer is out of business and your inquiry is in reference to a stolen firearm, contact your local police department. It is possible they will submit a request to the National Tracing Center for a Records Search Request assuming the circumstances are connected to a bona fide criminal investigation.

    Contact your state firearms registration office if your state has one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric P View Post
    The evil x who stole my guns was charged and convicted of federal crimes for stealing guns. The judge asked the ATF prosecutor why it was a federal crime. She basically said since the guns crossed state lines for me to purchase (but never left the state after being stolen) it was a federal crime.

    All guns recovered at pawn shops since they checked serial numbers.
    I thought you had some NFA stuff stolen and recovered as well. Same gear?

    Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

    I had a pistol stolen from my truck in Nov and the DougCo Deputy took the report over the phone. Didn't give two shits about the (loaded) mags that were also taken. I have to wonder if it's ever found and returned if they would give me the 18 rounders back. He actually made a comment that the ammo was probably worth more than the mags. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Is any lock secure against that guy?
    Send them into space on a rocket. That might make it take him 10 minutes to figure out, if you're lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric P View Post

    All guns recovered at pawn shops since they checked serial numbers.
    When I got my pistol back from the Boulder Sheriff's dept I asked them how they recovered it. Turns out it was a DUI, they arrested the driver, inventoried his vehicle prior to having it towed to the impound lot and found the pistol. They ran the SN through their database and it came back stolen.

    So I asked if the driver was being prosecuted for the theft or at the very least possession of stolen property. They told me he bought it a pawn shop. Now this was in 1985 when nobody had heard of the Internet so I don't know if pawn shops (or other FFLs) were required to run a serial number before accepting a firearm back then but I would hope they are now, what with all the linked data systems we have. Are they?
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