HR 127

[eddiememphis]

Just read the bill.

Fines start at $50,000 for most violations and include mandatory prison terms starting at 10 years.
Transferring ammo or firearms is only a $5,000 fine.

.50's are banned, as are magazines over 10 rounds.

I don't see this getting out of the house as is but you can bet it won't be the final attempt.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just read the bill.

Fines start at $50,000 for most violations and include mandatory prison terms starting at 10 years.
Transferring ammo or firearms is only a $5,000 fine.

.50's are banned, as are magazines over 10 rounds.

I don't see this getting out of the house as is but you can bet it won't be the final attempt.

So the real question. Asked in a hypothetical manner, of course.

The fine for failing to register your firearms start @ $50K



AND the penalty for an unregistered, happy switched item is?

$10K and 10 years

[nighterfighter]

Just read the bill.

Fines start at $50,000 for most violations and include mandatory prison terms starting at 10 years.
Transferring ammo or firearms is only a $5,000 fine.

.50's are banned, as are magazines over 10 rounds.

I don't see this getting out of the house as is but you can bet it won't be the final attempt.

No, it won't make it out as is.

It will be negotiated down to "just" registration or "just" 10 round magazines. Then they can say "See, we compromised!"

[Planner]

Stupidity has no bounds...

Agreed. I don?t think the bill sponsor even comprehends the magnitude of this challenge, nor the non-compliance rate it might generate. 39,395,615 BGCs last year alone. 377million in the last 23 years. 2021 is off to the races with the first 4mil + month.


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[Eric P]

No, it won't make it out as is.

It will be negotiated down to "just" registration or "just" 10 round magazines. Then they can say "See, we compromised!"

Must demand zero compromise... every gun owner looses on any compromise. Only acceptable compromise is to eliminate all gun laws except the 2nd. No background checks, since they don't work, nor will ever work. Eliminate the GCA and NFA.

[Rucker61]

So far there aren't any co-sponsors for any of the anti-gun bills Lee has introduced.

[Rucker61]

So the real question. Asked in a hypothetical manner, of course.

The fine for failing to register your firearms start @ $50K



AND the penalty for an unregistered, happy switched item is?

$10K and 10 years

The government wouldn't even be able to fine a felon with a gun due to Haynes v US, so at least most of her constituency would be safe.

[O2HeN2]

Haynes v US

THANK YOU!

I've been looking for that case for some time. Knew it existed, didn't know what it was called.

For those of you unfamiliar with this case, from Wikipedia:

"The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his [5th amendment] right not to incriminate himself."

The supreme court agreed, which IMHO is the correct call.

But what this means is that only lawful, upstanding citizens can be charged with non-registration.

Isn't that just loverly.

O2

[eddiememphis]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...e-gun-violence

Chicago Sun Times, February 1, 2021

"Five people were killed and at least 16 others wounded in shootings across Chicago this weekend.

The weekend was less violent than the one prior, as a winter storm dumped nearly a foot of snow by Monday. Last weekend, 31 people were shot and seven were killed between 5 p.m. Friday and 5 a.m. Monday."

Is this the gun crime the legislation is intended to curtail? Will these criminals even know there is a requirement for licensing, registration and insurance to own a firearm?

A cynic may think it's not about public safety but control of citizens.

[eddiememphis]

I forgot to add there is a requirement for the registered gun owner to obtain insurance.
No definition of the type or coverage limits- probably one of those things that needs to pass before we know the details.
However, it is another way to limit ownership since insurance companies can be coerced politically to either refuse to offer these policies or have the rate so expensive as to price out the average American.

"subsection a policy that insures the person against liability for losses and damages resulting from the use of any firearm by the person during the 1-year period that begins with the date the policy is issued."