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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric P View Post
    Just more overhead costs added to the hobby...

    More meaningless laws to punish law abiding gun owners.
    I would say that is a bit of an oversimplification of the issue, and wouldn't equate firearms on the same level as other "hobbies".

    Better business practices by certain vendors would have negated the apparent need for this law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    Better business practices by certain vendors would have negated the apparent need for this law.
    Agree.... after the first time of a store getting robbed of firearms, you'd think they'd figure out how to improve... After the second time, i'd damn sure figure it out...
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    But stealing is already illegal. Why punish a property owner for the deeds of those who ignore existing laws?

    Just another silly law equivalent to the puffer law. Punish victims, and potential victims, not the criminals.

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    Not really. You're punishing people that make the entire industry more risky/expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjzman View Post
    I don't know, but suspect that most of the stores are leased spaces. Might there be restrictions about the amount of modifications that a lessee can do? Installing bars and gates, etc. might be deemed detrimental to the value of the property.
    Actually when it comes to commercial real estate rental a lot of times retail buildouts will be financed by the property owner so writing enhanced security upgrades in to the provisions of a lease could be a simple slam dunk on the part of the leasee. The property owner has an incentive to get a good renter in that will increase the value and thus the rental potential of their property so they will often pay for upgrades themselves in exchanve for the negotiated lease rate.

    In other words, no real excuse for not having bars in the windows or doors.
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    Triple J has been burglarized a number of times, yet they choose to not learn a lesson. I can't imagine what their insurance company has to say about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    Triple J has been burglarized a number of times, yet they choose to not learn a lesson. I can't imagine what their insurance company has to say about it.

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    I bet Walmart looses far more money from shoplifting in a period of time. Maybe they should be forced to fix the issue. Some government regulation driving up the cost to do business would be welcomed by fascist for eliminating competition
    and maybe socialist if it created more government jobs.
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    Oh FFS. Of course Walmart loses more money BUT

    1. Walmart is a much bigger operation than a LGS. The percentage of revenue they lose from shoplifting is miniscule compared to the percentage some of these LGSes are losing to crash-and-run robberies.

    2. Walmart does loss prevention analysis and makes decisions about it based on cost and risk profiles. They actually have bollards outside their entrances so you CAN'T do a crash and run.

    3. I somehow don't feel endangered from someone shoplifting candy or DVDs from Walmart. It's not even close to someone getting a couple dozen unsecured firearms after crashing a car through the door of the LGS.

    4. These regulations wouldn't even have been proposed if the LGS involved had secured their firearms after hours or had reasonable prevention safeguards in place. My buddy in Florida with a LGS secures EVERY firearm when he closes up. EVERY one.

    Just how many fascists or socialists do you see on this board? I think I've seen a small handful of socialist whackjobs here over the years and they've generally been laughed off the board. This is a case where it gets really hard for even die-hard 2A supporters to defend the numbnuts that do stupid stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Oh FFS. Of course Walmart loses more money BUT

    1. Walmart is a much bigger operation than a LGS. The percentage of revenue they lose from shoplifting is miniscule compared to the percentage some of these LGSes are losing to crash-and-run robberies.

    2. Walmart does loss prevention analysis and makes decisions about it based on cost and risk profiles. They actually have bollards outside their entrances so you CAN'T do a crash and run.

    3. I somehow don't feel endangered from someone shoplifting candy or DVDs from Walmart. It's not even close to someone getting a couple dozen unsecured firearms after crashing a car through the door of the LGS.

    4. These regulations wouldn't even have been proposed if the LGS involved had secured their firearms after hours or had reasonable prevention safeguards in place. My buddy in Florida with a LGS secures EVERY firearm when he closes up. EVERY one.

    Just how many fascists or socialists do you see on this board? I think I've seen a small handful of socialist whackjobs here over the years and they've generally been laughed off the board. This is a case where it gets really hard for even die-hard 2A supporters to defend the numbnuts that do stupid stuff.
    The fact I brought up Walmart is that you could apply this government regulation to anything even candy. If you believe a company can stay in business getting robbed every week you are wrong; they would run out of money and the insurance would run out ( capitalism). Your friend in Florida seem nice; maybe you should move there. Criminal s don’t a bay laws.Littleton is being political. Automobiles kill more people than guns, wtf, aloha
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