Something big going on at King Soopers on Table Mesa in Boulder

[funkymonkey1111]

You don't know what the f*** you are talking about. VNgunfighter is rock solid. I would give him the shirt off my back. 100% GTG as the saying goes.

Good for you. However, he does sound like he has issues in general, whether you're blind to it or not

[GilpinGuy]

While satire, this is so f-ing spot on. And I don't think this was put out as a reaction to Boulder today, just a coincidence, but I could be wrong.

https://babylonbee.com/news/uncertai...nes-skin-color

[Irving]

Sorry to derail here.

VN....you wrote that you're Asian. My wife is as well. When I mentioned this event to her she immediately asked if it was an attack on Asians. She has the impression that there is a plague of anti-Asian violence in the US right now. I can think of a few events that have happened since the rona started, but the MSM would make you think thousands have been slaughtered. The Georgia event MAY have been a racial thing, but that's not clear. If that asshole really had a "sex addiction" as he claimed and fed it at those places, maybe not. He could just be another whacko who should have auto asphyxiated instead.

I guess I'm wondering if you think there's a giant wave of anti-Asian violence running wild in America. Maybe there are things that have happened I don't know about

My wife is also not white, and we've had similar conversations. Basically, people say stupid stuff to her, or treat her like shit when I'm not standing next to her and our daughter. I suspect that is mostly because the kind of coward who does that, wouldn't say a damn thing in the presence of a large male being around.

[rondog]

Wow, guess I slept thru it, wife just told me about it. Unreal. I can't even say anything to the victims and their families......

So - asking the LEO's and other professionals here - IF a citizen were to find himself a witness to such madness - SHOULD he grab his weapon and attempt to intercede?

I mean - yeah, I carry - but I also roll heavy. SHOULD a citizen grab his vehicle rifle and run towards the danger? In theory - of course you should. But in reality, SHOULD you?

SHOULD one grab the AR in their back seat and try to engage the shooter? Or would you just likely get shot by the cops?

[Irving]

My opinion is that with that many people around, you ARE going to be mistaken as another bad guy. Maybe only momentarily, but it WILL happen. (The number of people shooing back in these situations is low enough that maybe some people will feel comfortable with that level of risk, but something to consider).
Also, even if eventually people understand that you are protecting them, how many of them will have the wherewithall to correctly describe what you're wearing/look like as the "good guy" compared to just the "other guy with a gun?"

That said, I wouldn't expect myself to think those things through before any action/no-action, and I wouldn't expect that of anyone else either.

[BPTactical]

WTF guys...
PVT Pyle killed his DI and himself...
Are we really going to reference movies and fictitious people...during this real assault on humans??

Merely a reference to an appearance of similarity meant to illustrate the "crazy factor" VN.

[Squeeze]

R.I.P. Officer Eric Talley. May your name never be forgotten. A true hero. As for the perpetrator, his name should be forgotten and never spoke of again. May the Lord cast angels to look over the families of the fallen and be with them in their time of grief.

[Bailey Guns]

Wow, guess I slept thru it, wife just told me about it. Unreal. I can't even say anything to the victims and their families......

So - asking the LEO's and other professionals here - IF a citizen were to find himself a witness to such madness - SHOULD he grab his weapon and attempt to intercede?

I mean - yeah, I carry - but I also roll heavy. SHOULD a citizen grab his vehicle rifle and run towards the danger? In theory - of course you should. But in reality, SHOULD you?

SHOULD one grab the AR in their back seat and try to engage the shooter? Or would you just likely get shot by the cops?

I'll give you my opinion...and that's all it is:

Unless someone you personally care about (including yourself) is directly threatened, I wouldn't. Has nothing to do with being a coward or needing to "nut up" as others put it. It has to do with unintended consequences...especially in today's society. Not only do you risk harm to yourself...which may present great harm to family/friends with you...but you risk all sorts of other issues. Just remember, you're responsible for every bullet you fire. And if a wayward bullet misses the bad guy and goes thru the bread aisle into an innocent that you can't see, it's still your bullet.

One good thing can come out of you getting involved. The bad guy is stopped, one way or another.

A million bad things can come out of it. Some that will ruin you financially, ruin your family, cost you everything you own or kill you. Or worse, maybe kill someone you care about.

I'd recommend you be a GOOD witness...they're really hard to come by in situations like this, regardless of how many witnesses there are.

[tmckay2]

I'll give you my opinion...and that's all it is:

Unless someone you personally care about (including yourself) is directly threatened, I wouldn't. Has nothing to do with being a coward or needing to "nut up" as others put it. It has to do with unintended consequences...especially in today's society. Not only do you risk harm to yourself...which may present great harm to family/friends with you...but you risk all sorts of other issues. Just remember, you're responsible for every bullet you fire. And if a wayward bullet misses the bad guy and goes thru the bread aisle into an innocent that you can't see, it's still your bullet.

One good thing can come out of you getting involved. The bad guy is stopped, one way or another.

A million bad things can come out of it. Some that will ruin you financially, ruin your family, cost you everything you own or kill you. Or worse, maybe kill someone you care about.

I'd recommend you be a GOOD witness...they're really hard to come by in situations like this, regardless of how many witnesses there are.

I agree, unless there is no other option I don't think you get involved. There's a lot of things that could go sideways and you may think you have a handle on the what the situation is but you could be incredibly wrong. In any circumstance like that you are going to be operating on extremely limited data which makes any action all that more risky.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't give a shit, but when the dude is actively shooting people, maybe it's time to nut up and get in there.

Just wondering... Did Officer Eric Talley, apparently the first officer on scene, "nut up" enough for you?