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That's a damned shame if they're as horrified by their son's actions as I expect. Absent any proof, I'm not going to assume the rest of the family is like the son.Originally Posted by Hummer
https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-kille...032224909.html
Inter-family situation down in Texas. Not the biggest headline despite the media usually going ape-shit over 4+. I wonder why...
Okay. So, your article appears to have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Also, murder/suicide amongst family members has been going on forever and, while tragic, isn?t as newsworthy as someone entering a public place and killing random strangers.
Jon Caldera questions the 42 minute delay by police in entering the store after the initial engagement and calls for release of all video footage of the event. If the commanding officers ordered the delay it would be pretty damning in light of active shooter protocols. It further calls into question the complete blackout of video evidence released to the public.
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com...it-in-boulder/
Caldara: Why did police wait in Boulder?
April 7, 2021
By Jon Caldera
From the president of the United States to the media echo-chamber to every person in my hometown of Boulder, we all agree. Officer Eric Talley is a hero for rushing in to engage the mass shooter in my neighborhood?s King Soopers.
That raises a very awkward question. If Talley is a hero for rushing in, what does that make the dozens and dozens of cops who waited outside the store, while shots were ringing inside?
Let me concede immediately, we do not have all the facts. The police might have been wholly justified in holding back and waiting some 42 minutes after Officer Talley was reported down before entering the store. But from my view the delay seems questionable.
Police response to mass shootings changed after the Columbine High School tragedy in 1999. Then first responders waited to enter the school under the false assumption that it was a hostage situation. It wasn?t. The inaction to immediately engage the killers cost lives.
The same thinking happened on Sept. 11, 2001. Previous terrorist takeovers of flights were hijackings. Comply with the hijackers and hopefully everyone survives. No one thought they?d kill pilots and use planes as human-steered bombs.
After 9/11 pilots have locked, secured cockpits and if a plane were to be taken over every passenger would attack a terrorist to save lives. Notice there hasn?t been a ?regular? hijacking since?
After Columbine, police trained to rush in, not wait. That training saved lives during the Aurora theater shooting. Police engaged right when they arrived, and it stopped the shooting. Police didn?t wait for ambulances; some victims were rush to hospitals in squad cars.
The painful lessons learned from Columbine ended up saving lives in Aurora years later.
It seems those lessons were forgotten when police responded to the mass shooting at my grocery store.
There is an amazing amount of video footage from the Boulder shooting, not that you and I have been able to see it. The authorities haven?t released it.
There are lots of video surveillance cameras through the store. I?ve seen them. They?re hard to miss, intentionally.
In fact, King Soopers just installed a very obvious (since it took up several needed parking spaces) video camera system with a bird?s-eye view of the entire parking lot. I assumed it?s because of the rampant rise in car break-ins in Boulder. And of course, police were wearing body cameras.
So, there is detailed footage of what happened inside and outside the store. All this video should be made public so we can see what happened when and what the police response really was.
As it is now, the best available footage comes from a citizen journalist, Dean Schiller, who live-streamed the event. It can be viewed on his YouTube channel, ZFG Videography. (Warning, the first minute of the video shows victim?s bodies.)
From the video it is clear that the police response time was amazingly fast, with officers, including Talley, on scene in moments. And after that law enforcement numbers grew large and seemingly instantly.
Police gathered around the front door, walked around the parking lot, even went on the roof, but they didn?t go in even though shots could be clearly heard at 6:40 and 8:05 minutes into the Schiller video.
Were my neighbors dying in terror inside as police stood around the front door?
In an interview shown on KUSA Eric Talley?s father recounted his son saying that if people were in trouble, he wouldn?t wait for orders. He told his dad if people were being hurt, he?d go in even if he was ordered not to.
I?ve privately spoken with my friends in law enforcement. They tell me are trained to go in to save lives, and the likely reason they wouldn?t is if they were ordered not to. If true in this case I hope the Boulder rank-and-file who were there have the bravery of Eric Talley to come forward and say what really happened.
If the observations from the Schiller video are what they seem to be, and often in police videos they are not, it proves what every person with a concealed-weapon permit knows ? when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
But sadly, it also shows that when the police are mere feet away, they may be 42 minutes away.
Jon Caldara is president of the Independence Institute, a free market think tank in Denver.
Why did they wait? Because they have zero obligation to do anything.
The Caldera account is interesting, because the timeline I have heard is that there were no additional citizen casualties after the first BPD engagement (nominally where Talley was killed and the perp was wounded). Perhaps the perp was effectively pinned down by this point and subsequent shots were due to a "frustration factor"? Maybe keeping a tight perimeter was the best course of action at that time? I don't know.
The vagrants of Boulder welcome you...
Parkland FL tactics? I wasn't there, I'm no Seal Team X badass, but damn, people bleed out in minutes... WTF...
Another question?
Fox, Channel 31, reported that Denny Stong charged the shooter with his pocket knife and was the one that cut him in the leg before he was killed.
I have not heard another word about that since the day of the shooting when they reported it.
Did Fox have that wrong?
I have not heard any of that. I thought the wound on the suspects leg was named as a bullet wound?
This is incorrect.
Do you still have a link to this Fox 31 report?
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