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    Default Reservations required to visit your public lands, and no more dispersed camping!

    [And this doesn't include the local Forest Service managers goal of outlawing all dispersed shooting in the Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests.]


    Brainard lake and Mt. Evans


    Reservations required to visit starting in June

    By John Meyer
    The Denver Post

    Timed-entry reservation systems will be implemented soon for access to Brainard Lake and the road to the summit of Mount Evans, two of the Front Range?s most scenic recreation destinations.

    Officials of the Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests who manage those destinations are still working out final details, but the decision to require passes in advance of visiting has already been made. Plans are to have the systems in place when the two areas open in early June, weather permitting. Reservations will only be available in advance through Recreation. gov. ?We?re expecting passes to be available for purchase beginning in late May,? said Reid Armstrong, public affairs specialist for the Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests. ?We will have another announcement just before they go live.?

    Brainard Lake is scheduled to open on June 4 and Mount Evans on June 11, although both dates are weather dependent. The Mount Evans pass applies to the road from Echo Lake to the summit, a popular drive just 60 miles from Denver.

    Last year, Brainard Lake was restricted to 80% of its parking capacity and Mount Evans was closed to vehicular traffic due to the pandemic, although cyclists were allowed to ride the road from Echo Lake to the summit of Evans.

    While COVID-19 remains a consideration, the measures coming this summer are also intended to better manage the huge growth in visitation numbers that took place across both forests in recent years and exploded last summer.

    ?We do hope the system is going to reduce potential COVID exposures at the entrance stations, parking lots, bathrooms, parking lots and trailheads by dispersing arrival times,? Armstrong said.

    ?We?re hoping the system is going to improve customer experience by allowing visitors to better plan their visits and have a safer, less crowded experience while they are at Brainard or Mount Evans. It will also work toward our long term goal of reducing crowding in these recreation areas and traffic congestion on the road near the welcome stations. Hopefully we will be able to accomplish all of those things with this.?

    Those aren?t the only changes that are coming. Some areas of those forests where ?dispersed? camping was allowed ? meaning areas that are not developed for camping ? will be converted this year to day use only.

    The Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests stretch along the Front Range from Jefferson County to the Wyoming border but do not include Rocky Mountain National Park.

    ?We have about five areas identified across the Front Range that we are looking into converting to day use only to allow them to heal and for us to come up with a better management plan for them,? Armstrong said. ?These are places that were heavily trampled last year by dispersed camping. That has an impact on municipal water supplies because people are pooping ? there are no facilities ? there are tents and cars and campers compacting vegetation.

    ?That doesn?t necessarily mean all of them will be day use only forever, but we need to take a pause while we look at these areas and figure out a better way to manage them so it?s not wall to wall to wall tents and campers along an entire road,? Armstrong said. ?It may be that next year an area reopens and another needs a break.?

    Armstrong said bearproof containers will be required this year for campers across almost all of the Arapaho and Roosevelt forests.

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    Have to agree with banning dispersed camping, long overdue. Really don't want to lose our home due to some home-free pissant neglecting their banned fire.

    But I'm displeased about not having any place to shoot without lots of driving.

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    I wish they’d do that near me. I’m out rucking regularly during the summer months near my home and I see untold numbers of morons with fires. Depending on how dry it is, my response to them varies from a polite warning about the impending visit from law enforcement to outright hostility.
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    One of the issues that are a problem in Colorado is we are a watershed state that supplies water to much of the west. Another would be we are a high planes desert. We are not like other areas of the country that a few years after destroying the land in the many ways we do it does not repair itself it takes 20 years or more for trials from people or off-road vehicles to repair itself.
    The biggest problem is the total and complete ineptitude of the biologists in this state to manage the wildlife and rivers without wasting massive amounts of money. Every weekend the Douglas County and other county rescue workers are out rescuing some ass hat that has no idea how to handle themself in the high country while the fishers and hunters pay for these rescues. If you want to go out then maybe you should pay for it like everyone who hunts and fishes.
    I have had land for over 40 years in Park County that is all private and now they are telling us we can't camp on our own land because of the impact it causes, to the environment while they then put up houses on the sides of each hill and destroy what was beautiful. ALWAYS and I MEAN ALWAYS
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSparkens View Post
    I have had land for over 40 years in Park County that is all private and now they are telling us we can't camp on our own land because of the impact it causes, to the environment while they then put up houses on the sides of each hill and destroy what was beautiful.
    I did not know that they could restrict camping on your own land. I had 75 acres for about 30 years with a well and no electricity south of Hartsel on Highway 9.
    Sold it a while back.
    Whenever I asked the County if I could shoot and camp, the response was it is your land and as long as you don't interfere with your neighbors you can enjoy it.
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    This effects hunters too folks. Day trips only or you have to camp in a pay site. Many of which are closed during hunting seasons.

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    The whole concept just demonstrates the Colorado of my youth (80s and 90s) is gone forever.
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    More government control over what you can and can't do. More control over what you can do for entertainment. It's sad. We disperse camp every weekend in the summer. It's what we do. It's our summer lifestyle. This could potentially end that for us. The camp and riding areas that will still allow overnight dispersed camping will be even more absurdly crowded than they have been. I understand that budgets are tight in the forest service, but they could spend some money by simply patrolling the areas more often and better. By more often I am talking a few rangers in the areas each weekend. Keep people from camping where they are not supposed to, enforce fire ban laws, cite people riding off trail etc. They simply do not do this and the outcome is what we are seeing now.
    That is a fact and not just my opinion. I have talked at length with a Park County Sheriff about this.
    Colorado is simply becoming California one step at a time. If I did not own a successful business here (that would be almost impossible to relocate) I would have been out of here a few years ago.
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    Understand that the reservation system and areas closed to dispersed camping are in two limited areas. But if dispersed camps are prohibited in large areas of the forest that would deserve opposition. I personally much prefer dispersed camping over campgrounds. The US Forest Service has a long history of closing public land and campgrounds because they can't or won't manage it. Rather than fielding personnel far too many work from behind computer screens and I think they have little respect for the peoples right to use public land.

    Those of us who live in the mountains enter NIMBY territory when we advocate for shutting the public off from public lands. I do favor bans on open camp fires and heavy fines and jail for those who violate. But that too, takes management. Here, sherriff's officers and fire department volunteers were very busy last year chasing fire ban violaters. Mandatory fines that are big enough to hurt is whats needed, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hummer View Post
    Understand that the reservation system and areas closed to dispersed camping are in two limited areas. But if dispersed camps are prohibited in large areas of the forest that would deserve opposition. I personally much prefer dispersed camping over campgrounds. The US Forest Service has a long history of closing public land and campgrounds because they can't or won't manage it. Rather than fielding personnel far too many work from behind computer screens and I think they have little respect for the peoples right to use public land.

    Those of us who live in the mountains enter NIMBY territory when we advocate for shutting the public off from public lands. I do favor bans on open camp fires and heavy fines and jail for those who violate. But that too, takes management. Here, sherriff's officers and fire department volunteers were very busy last year chasing fire ban violaters. Mandatory fines that are big enough to hurt is whats needed, IMO.
    Fire bans should not be blanket bans. They should be based upon actual conditions. Just saying "no fires anytime" is unreasonable.

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