Officer shooting in Arvada

[3beansalad]

My son is close friends with John's sister. I can't even imagine.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/good-samaritan-john-hurley

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[rondog]

I hope Hurley gets the same honors that the fallen LEO does, and his family receives the same level of community support.

AMEN to that!

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

For anyone who ever complains when an active shooter is successfully apprehended by police unharmed.... "why didn't they just save us the cost of a trial"...

This is Exhibit A. Even if there is a report of an active shooter we don't want a world where LEO shoots anyone holding a weapon upon arrival.

I hope Hurley gets the same honors that the fallen LEO does, and his family receives the same level of community support.

That?s my hope too. With the new preemption law passing, cops probably won?t have to learn that there could be CCWers out there?

[FoxtArt]

While we don't know enough to "kb commando" this, I was just thinking... I can only think of a single shooting where there was a second shooter concealed that got the jump on an intervening CCW. It unfortunately cost him his life - it was in a walmart shopping center. The CCW engaged the boyfriend whom had a gun, unbeknownst to him, the girlfriend had a weapon as well and went behind the CCW and got the jump on him. One example out of all of these shootings.
So in our modern world, I'd hazard a guess that an active shooter situation is 99/100 times a single perp.

As crazy as it sounds, I'm considering teaching people that:

#1) First they need to protect their butt and probably GTFO as already well covered in this thread and as I already do...
#2) If they do decide to intervene against the logic of rule #1, ASSUME there is only a single perpetrator, wholeheartedly believe there is only a single perpetrator, and if they successfully engage, discard all of the training for post-shoot scene assessment, and instead promptly re-holster or set the weapon down nearby (safely and slowly) and avoid any sudden movements themselves.
This seems to go against our natural instinct but...

I think the risk of there being additional perps or the target reanimating before a CCW could again un-holster or re-aquire the weapon is far, far lower than LEO or other CCW's coming into the scene in a rush, and this happening. It's a two faced risk too - anybody rushing into the scene with a gun is likely to trigger the CCW to point in their direction (not saying that is what happened here, but it could have) - and of course, even if the CCW doesn't react that way, the mere fact they are holding a gun is enough to satisfy the thresholds depending on the information received on a 911 call, which is often horribly inaccurate.

We may need to teach "There is only one perp." I have for a long time taught that after engaging someone people need to be loud and announce their own presence for whatever noises they hear (in their home, etc.) "I AM IN THE KITCHEN WITH A GUN"

[OtterbatHellcat]

I have once been in the situation of seeing a gun drawn in public domain in a shitty neighborhood near Colfax and Monaco.

Plain clothed black male hopped out of his car in front of my house and had drawn on someone behind a fence obstructing my view. Of course my initial reaction was to find out what was going on, while I'm armed as well. He was an undercover cop arresting a douchebag at the crack whore hotel next door to me. Kazoo told me a long time ago that you might be shooting a cop doing his job because you don't really know what's actually taking place in a situation like that...and he's right.

I'll save my wife and myself, and innocent people...but only if I'm certain it's a bad actor. I'd rather live in prison I guess, than watch and let other people die.

[MrPrena]

Good Samaritan Lives Matters!

[eddiememphis]

Usually when an officer is killed in the line of duty, it is widely reported.

Doing a search for "Arvada shooting" has very little national coverage.

Is it due to the frequency of these acts, or the good guy with a gun narrative?

I'm not smart enough to figure that out.

[XJ]

I have been taught to shout "officer do you need assistance" before entering a fray, and also to holster ASAP.

Have not really thought about what I would do if inside a business and hearing shots outside.

What a difficult situation we are seeing unfold here.

[Doc45]

I was up in Arvada earlier today and at the town square where this occurred there's about an equal amount of notes/messages of grief for John Hurley as there are for Officer Beesley. At one point a lone bagpiper showed up and played Amazing Grace. Everyone stopped whatever they were, those walking by and those looking at the messages/flowers in the square. All eyes were on the bagpiper. A few folks that a friend thought might be family to Mr. Hurley dropped to their knees in tears. So hearbreaking. RIP to both.

[eddiememphis]

Creepy eyed guy on 9 layed out the latest.

Shooters brother called cops saying his brother was up to no good. Cop showed up, walked around corner and took a 12 gauge load. Shooter emptied the 12 gauge into cars and businesses, went to truck and grabbed AR. Army surplus ran out and killer shooter, Picked up his AR and an Arvada cop shot him.