Officer shooting in Arvada

[Bailey Guns]

I totally understand that line of reasoning about not engaging. The reality might be a little harder. I know undercover cops get shot by uniformed officers. But in this day of CCW, at least for now, Cops have to realize that these are complex situations. Someone without a uniform but with a gun May not necessarily be a bad guy.

No...armed citizens, and the public in general, have to realize these are complex situations. The police are tasked with dealing with this sort of problem. It's their job. Armed citizens are not. If you're getting a permit because you think you're going to "assist" the police and stop crime, you need to rethink your motives.

And I'm all for people carrying guns. I just want them to put their brain in gear before putting their gun in gear.

[colorider]

No picture of the perp yet. Odd.

[hollohas]

This guy did what he thought was right. From the stories being circulated by people who say they were his friends, he knew the risks. He still decided to do what he did. Everyone knows that if you get in a shootout, you may get shot. That's just a fact we all live with. LEOs aren't the only folks allowed to take that risk. It's not exclusive to them. I will never criticize ANYONE who steps up and stops a bad guy, badge or not.

Cops may say they don't want citizens to help, but that opinion changes immediately when they need help. There isn't always uniformed backup nearby. Every LEO I know finds comfort in knowing there are still good people out there that have their backs.

This is what it is now. At least right now it sounds like the citizen stopped the bad guy. (There aren't any reports of shots being fired after he engaged). That's a good thing no matter what he "should have done". Good for him.

[.455_Hunter]

Denver Post has picked it up...

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/2...lde-town-hero/

[newracer]

What are the laws, if there are any, about the responsibility and actions of a permit holder?

The guy left the store, looking for the shooter. He shot the alleged bad guy five or six times. Is this legal? Since he sought the bad guy, was he actually in imminent danger?

I have heard (not sure if it's correct) that permit holders are required to assist police. Are they required to act as police when there are not any around?

You can use deadly force to defend yourself or others as long as it is reasonably believed that your life or others is in danger.

Permit holders are not required to assist police or ever act as police.

[Great-Kazoo]

What are the laws, if there are any, about the responsibility and actions of a permit holder?

The guy left the store, looking for the shooter. He shot the alleged bad guy five or six times. Is this legal? Since he sought the bad guy, was he actually in imminent danger?

I have heard (not sure if it's correct) that permit holders are required to assist police. Are they required to act as police when there are not any around?

Who ever you "Heard" that from needs to find another job. Since working the counter at a gun store, doesn't seem to be working for them.

[rondog]

My bet is that Hurley was shot by responding officers. Otherwise, why the blanket of silence?

[BushMasterBoy]

There is NO duty to assist a peace officer unless commanded to. Failure to comply when commanded is a petty offense.
In retrospect, if Mr. Hurley could have borrowed some appropriate level body armor from the surplus store, it might have made a difference. All innocent parties involved have my sympathies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusi...ficer#Colorado

[Irving]

Army surplus doesn't sell body armor.

[eddiememphis]

Who ever you "Heard" that from needs to find another job.

Internet.

That's why I ask questions. Gather all the answers and sort 'em out.