Officer shooting in Arvada

[Little Dutch]

So you think Arvada PD would have shot him and all the other people in the area?

There's a mental defective shooting people. You are chasing the mental defective. You see a guy with a gun, there's a body on the ground next to him. This is not exactly a complicated scenario.

[.455_Hunter]

There's a mental defective shooting people. You are chasing the mental defective. You see a guy with a gun, there's a body on the ground next to him. This is not exactly a complicated scenario.

Pretty sure the responding officer was not "chasing" the mental defective- they were responding to a shooting scene with unknown situational awareness.

Good questions to ask:

Was there active shooting still occurring when the responding unit arrived on scene? If not, what was the delay between Hurley's shots and the LE shooting him?

What are the requirements to assess the situation before opening fire?

Hurley was a civilian CCW carrier, but could have just as easy been an off-duty LE doing the same action. What is the protocol to avoid shooting an off-duty?

What is the protocol to avoid shooting an auditory comprised and tunnel visioned individual, thinking back to Mr. Black in Aurora?

I agree its a difficult situation, but that doesn't mean it can be simplistically dismissed. AAR's are helpful to avoid future similar outcomes.

[.455_Hunter]

The results of the investigation...

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...harges-da-says

Please review and post your thoughts.

I wonder if Hurley was trying to clear or safe the rifle when he was shot? An unfortunate decision by him, regardless of intent.

My hope is that this situation, along with events like Mr. Black's death in Aurora, can be used develop LE response techniques that acknowledge the potential presence of armed non-criminal citizens in a given scenario. What that would entail, I don't know.

[Grant H.]

No charges...

Color me shocked...

[Bailey Guns]

And what would you have him charged with?

[def90]

The take away is that if you are ever involved in a situation like this immediately set your firearm down as well as probably lie on the ground with your arms and hands splayed out until the “help” arrives.

[O2HeN2]

I have to grudgingly admit that it was the right decision.

That said, the police need to do better.

For example, if it had been exactly the same situation and it had been a plainclothes officer, the outcome would have, tragically, been the same.

O2

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah...it's a horrible situation and a police officer's, or an armed citizen's, worst nightmare. But looking objectively at the totality of the situation it's impossible for me to fault the officer. Does that mean nothing should ever change or that we shouldn't look at potential changes in order to reduce the chances of this happening again? Of course not. But charging the officer would've been the wrong thing to do and I doubt any jury would've ever convicted him. I'm guessing there's a civil suit pending if it hasn't already been filed.

[.455_Hunter]

So when do the riots start?

That's what's supposed to happen, right?

[.455_Hunter]

What I would consider rather amazing video of armed citizen Hurley's actions up to and including discharging his weapon at the shooter. Does not include any footage of the shooter on the receiving end, or what I also would expect to be Hurley's demise based on earlier camera angles of the shooter killing Officer Beesley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOZsipmR3f8