Citizen Strike?

[00tec]

Sounds like Billy just got hospitalized for a "non covid-19 infection". That's a lot of words for "the clap".

ETA: Ah shit. Tell my kids I loved 'em.

Confirmed as a urological infection.... LMAO

[theGinsue]

Fill out and submit a medical exemption form pronto. At least it gives something to argue about.
AFAIK the deadline to submit a medical exemption in your case could be as soon as October 25th. Just based off my gov dealings... So try to get something in before then, despite the illness

Except, my government customer AND my company don't have a form to fill out yet. I spoke to a doctor today at the base where I get medical care and I'm getting a letter on their letterhead authorizing a medical deferral. I got my government POC involved today and after he ran things down for me he said I have to get my corporate leadership to contact my customers contracts person to work the issue for me. I'll be pursuing that on Monday. It appears that there is no official process identified yet for either medical or religious exemptions so each case will have to be handled/processed with a LOT of effort on a case-by-case basis. The trick will be getting my company and management to give a shit enough to put the effort out for me.

OSHA hasn't issued any regs yet. So as far as OSHA is concerned, there isn't a mandate yet that affects private businesses. My company is subject to OSHA (our mother ship covers 700 physical locations in the US). They are waiting to see what OSHA regs say and will comply, but won't do anything before it's made official by the feds.

But I don't know what fed mandate there is for fed contractors. I've heard there really isn't one. Nothing on paper.

Ginsue - I hope they accept your temporary medical deferral. There would be no reason to reject it, but so far it seems everything is happening without reason.

Apparently the EO mandate says that any company doing business with the .fed must comply or their contracts will be suspended or cancelled - at least that's how my company (a BIG defense contractor) is taking it. My company had an unannounced telecon yesterday that only a few people heard about in time to listen in on. The company said how they are understanding the mandate is that ALL company employees (working at customer sites, at corporate sites and at home) must be vaccinated by December 8th or the company is not in compliance. So this is how my company is moving forward. Anyone not fully vax'd by Dec 8th will either be let go or put on a leave of absence without pay/benefits (company choice as to how they'll handle each employee).

EXACTLY MANDATES, THREATS, YOU NEED TO, ETC


Yet NOT ONE piece of legislation, state or federal has been proposed, voted on, and signed in to law. Why is that. I've asked my state reps, still waiting for an answer.

Probably no legislation because they know it isn't Constitutional and would be ruled as such by a federal court/SCOTUS review. That would knock the entire shit show in the dirt for the Biden administration so they're going to stick with just the EO and not rock the boat since the EO is meeting their goals.

[theGinsue]

Any company that operates on a national level vice just within one state (i.e. Texas) in one form or another does business with the federal government, or at a minimum are regulated under federal interstate commerce rules. The .fed has already issued direction that any organization that does business with them WILL enforce the mandate lest they lose the ability to do business with the .fed and, I suspect, face federal penalties (such as loss of licenses and federal government approvals to operate). Fourteenth Amendment be damned.

While states SHOULD be able to dictate things of this nature, the states are David and the .fed is Goliath -- only in this type of situation, Goliath has no chance of losing.

[hollohas]

Any company that operates on a national level vice just within one state (i.e. Texas) in one form or another does business with the federal government, or at a minimum are regulated under federal interstate commerce rules. The .fed has already issued direction that any organization that does business with them WILL enforce the mandate lest they lose the ability to do business with the .fed and, I suspect, face federal penalties (such as loss of licenses and federal government approvals to operate). Fourteenth Amendment be damned.

While states SHOULD be able to dictate things of this nature, the states are David and the .fed is Goliath -- only in this type of situation, Goliath has no chance of losing.

The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?

[FoxtArt]

The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?

There was the EO from the white house. AFAIK it set a firm November 22 deadline and purported to use OSHA as the arm. I have not seen any OSHA regulations yet, but also have not checked.

[hollohas]

There was the EO from the white house. AFAIK it set a firm November 22 deadline and purported to use OSHA as the arm. I have not seen any OSHA regulations yet, but also have not checked.

OSHA hasn't issued any regs yet. So as far as OSHA is concerned, there isn't a mandate yet that affects private businesses. My company is subject to OSHA (our mother ship covers 700 physical locations in the US). They are waiting to see what OSHA regs say and will comply, but won't do anything before it's made official by the feds.

But I don't know what fed mandate there is for fed contractors. I've heard there really isn't one. Nothing on paper.

Ginsue - I hope they accept your temporary medical deferral. There would be no reason to reject it, but so far it seems everything is happening without reason.

[clodhopper]

There was the EO from the white house. AFAIK it set a firm November 22 deadline and purported to use OSHA as the arm. I have not seen any OSHA regulations yet, but also have not checked.

This is all I am aware of for OSHA at this point:

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets

I havent read through it closely yet, but a perusal shows no jab mandate. It is just a requirement for a written safety plan to encompass the vaxxed and non-vaxxed. This is a continuation of the ETS from earlier this year, so it could change, but I suspect whatever comes will be similar to this.

[Great-Kazoo]

The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?

EXACTLY MANDATES, THREATS, YOU NEED TO, ETC


Yet NOT ONE piece of legislation, state or federal has been proposed, voted on, and signed in to law. Why is that. I've asked my state reps, still waiting for an answer.

[FoxtArt]

Basically it boils down to the willingness to sucede or not. Is Texas going to over the EO? 99% not. So it's just not getting enforced.

If it did, Feds would pull all funding, medicaid, etc., and it really boils down to the purse instead of the punisher. US Gov would be hard pressed to find active duty military willing to shoot at Texans, so that's simply not an option. But the purse is all powerful. If a state was brave enough to give the purse the finger, then things would start changing in this country.

But... money is the root of something, something. Everyone loves their paycheck, including politicians.

What is the biggest irony in our modern era is all it takes is a government to say "no" to court rulings, back it by enforcement, and the whole facade of our government comes crashing down.

e.g. ---> https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/74us700

Texas should just unilaterally legislate it and give the federal government the finger. Whadyagunnadoboutit? Once detached from the purse, the federal government has nothing left to threaten.

[Seamonkey]

But... money is the root of something, something. Everyone loves their paycheck, including politicians.

The LOVE of money is the root. Money is just a tool

What is the biggest irony in our modern era is all it takes is a government to say "no" to court rulings, back it by enforcement, and the whole facade of our government comes crashing down.

e.g. ---> https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/74us700

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