No Conc Carry at Gun Show??

[GoldFinger]

I've been thinking about how many of us boycott business that don't allow CCW but yet it's accepted that gunshows ban CCW (at least to the point where they make your gun unable to fire). I can understand that weapons brougth to be sold need to be disabled, but why do we allow this in regards to CCW? If anyone has a good answer to this I'd certainly like to hear it because I can't figure it out.

Thanks.

[kidicarus13]

I'm guessing it has to do with the insurance the promoters have for the shows.

[Ranger353]

According to the SERTOMA group that runs half of the shows at the Phil Long Expo, it is insurance related per the Phil Long Expo management. They have stated that their insurance policy makes an exception for bonded security guards, but not everyone in the general public. At least that is the reason they have given for not allowing it during gun shows there.

What I don't understand is that there is no permanent signage in place, only the temporary signs they use during the gun shows. When I go to the home shows there I don't see signs up and no one asks me if I am armed? What's the difference? If the insurance policy says no then it should be no for all events and not just gun shows.

Or maybe it really isn't the insurance???

[GoldFinger]

It's also at the Tanner Gun Show. If it is the insurance, what does that say about the fundemental arguement that we are a safer society with 2nd Ammendment rights. I don't get the contradiction, and you would think that those apposed to our right to bear arms would put this up as a great example. I can walk into Gander, Bass Pro shops, etc.. without any signs (at least that I've seen) prohibiting CCW.

[Irving]

The insurance on the building is different than the insurance for the vendors. It very likely IS an insurance issue. Not patronizing won't really change anything because the insurance company doesn't care and would rather not write a risk like that in the first place.

[kidicarus13]

the insurance company doesn't care and would rather not write a risk like that in the first place.

Don't kid yourself, insurance companies stay in business by writing risk. As the risk rises so does their premium.

[TFOGGER]

Given the occurances of at least 2 negligent discharges at gun shows in the last year by people that chose to ignore the rules, I gotta side with the show promotors. The first was some yahoo that was supposedly a firearms instructor at the Tanner show that couldn't resist the temptation to fiddle with his carry piece, and discharged a round into the floor. The second was at a show in Loveland, and I don't remember the details, but I do remember it was a vendor. In theory, someone with a CCW permit should be knowledgeable and conscientious enough to avoid a ND, but in reality, this is not always the case. I have no issue with zip tying my carry piece at the show, although I did take issue with the Crossroads show wanting me to unload my magazines and leave my ammo in the car, just because it's a PITA to load/unload 2 15 round mags.

[Irving]

Don't kid yourself, insurance companies stay in business by writing risk. As the risk rises so does their premium.

They stay in business writing risks when nothing happens. No insurance company is going to worry about missing out on $5,000 because the show fell into obscurity because no one patronized it. The people who host the special event could probably find someone to write the risk and not have any crap about no CCW, but not without substantial increase in premium cost, which will just be passed to the patrons anyway.

I guess the issue is which would people prefer?

Paying $25 cover to browse mixed nuts and chinese holsters, in an environment with only a few more negligent discharges (we have to be honest) while carrying.

Or

Paying $6 cover to browse mixed nuts and Chinese holsters, with a few less NDs and your gun in the car.

Personally, the gun show isn't nearly awesome enough for me to care (others may feel differently), and since it is a private business decision, and not a local, state, or federal government issue, then I don't feel like my rights are all that threatened.

That's just my take on it though.

[GoldFinger]

Yes there is risk, yes there are dumn asses out there, but is that really much different then any place else that allows CCW and specifically places that deal in firearms? Not only does it feel completely hypocritical, but wouldn't it also be a tremendous liability to pro-rights people by banning CCW at a gun show...

I sent an email to the Tanner Gun Show asking them about this so we'll see what their PC people can come up with for an answer. Sorry to drag this out but I really try to stay away from places that don't allow CCW and this is a burr in my sadle.

Sturtle.. I mean Stuart - what's the deal with the name change. Is it a new kinder, gentler you?

[rhineoshott]

I don't agree with the rule by any means, but I suppose I could see their logic a little. You'd probably have people carrying that normally don't. Also some people would carry open who never carry. With all those accessories and goodies they would want to try out the light on their pistol or a holster etc. thus pulling out their loaded guns and not being safe with them. The rule makers probably say, where there are many guns and much ammo there is a higher-than-normal propensity for accidental discharges.

I've been at a gun show when a gun did go off. Didn't see it or hear anything more than the shot itself. I guess it's possible it was something else... IDK