No Conc Carry at Gun Show??

[Irving]

The insurance on the building is different than the insurance for the vendors. It very likely IS an insurance issue. Not patronizing won't really change anything because the insurance company doesn't care and would rather not write a risk like that in the first place.

[kidicarus13]

the insurance company doesn't care and would rather not write a risk like that in the first place.

Don't kid yourself, insurance companies stay in business by writing risk. As the risk rises so does their premium.

[Irving]

Don't kid yourself, insurance companies stay in business by writing risk. As the risk rises so does their premium.

They stay in business writing risks when nothing happens. No insurance company is going to worry about missing out on $5,000 because the show fell into obscurity because no one patronized it. The people who host the special event could probably find someone to write the risk and not have any crap about no CCW, but not without substantial increase in premium cost, which will just be passed to the patrons anyway.

I guess the issue is which would people prefer?

Paying $25 cover to browse mixed nuts and chinese holsters, in an environment with only a few more negligent discharges (we have to be honest) while carrying.

Or

Paying $6 cover to browse mixed nuts and Chinese holsters, with a few less NDs and your gun in the car.

Personally, the gun show isn't nearly awesome enough for me to care (others may feel differently), and since it is a private business decision, and not a local, state, or federal government issue, then I don't feel like my rights are all that threatened.

That's just my take on it though.

[kidicarus13]

They stay in business writing risks when nothing happens. No insurance company is going to worry about missing out on $5,000 because the show fell into obscurity because no one patronized it. The people who host the special event could probably find someone to write the risk and not have any crap about no CCW, but not without substantial increase in premium cost, which will just be passed to the patrons anyway.

I would agree.

[Irving]

One could easily argue that even with the stupid rules, people still manage to fire their guns. That just goes to show the level of irresponsibility and stupidity it takes to have an ND at a gun show in the first place. While no amount of rules, or even laws will prevent the dummies from acting like dummies, that is no reason to get rid of all the rules and just encourage the dummies to act like dummies.

There is a thread on another board about not patronizing gun shops that don't allow CCW, and that is something that is easier to fight by just shopping else where.

[two shoes]

There is a thread on another board about not patronizing gun shops that don't allow CCW, and that is something that is easier to fight by just shopping else where.

I haven't seen a gun shop up here that prohibits CCW.... Most say unload all weapons.... CCW excluded

[GreenScoutII]

Personally, the gun show isn't nearly awesome enough for me to care (others may feel differently), and since it is a private business decision, and not a local, state, or federal government issue, then I don't feel like my rights are all that threatened.

I have to agree with Stu on this one. If it is held on private property, then it is the property owner's decision. I may not agree, but I will respect it.

What I'm more concerned about however, is the message being sent to the general public. If operators of a gun show don't trust CCW holders to carry their weapons loaded... Then, well, you guys can see where I'm going with this.

I haven't been to a Denver gunshow in years, but the ones in the Springs have been pretty lame for a long time.

[battle_sight_zero]

The Tanner and the Crossroads are a jipp anyways. I was walking my toddler in his stroller when that idiot shot a round off. Have not been back since. However the shows are a rippoff, I am not aware of any deals or anything to be had at them that you cant get somewhere else for less and in better shape. Heck made me laugh when people there were selling the basic PTR 91s for 1700 dollars after I just bought the same model for 1000.

[Jer]

Exactly why I refuse to go to gun shows anymore. They can keep their overpriced junk anyway.

[bczandm]

It is about insurance and risk. Two AD's in one year proves the point.

The venues require the show promoter supply insurance. The math tells the insurance companies that the risk is elevated due to the potential of a loaded gun. Two AD's in the last year prove the math. As a result, insurance rates go up. Remove the loaded guns and the "risk" appears to go down to the insurance company. It's really simple math and economics. Keep in mind that no insurance means no shows.

It's sorta like the gas in your car. Low risk, until you take the gas for 1,000 cars and store it at one location... a gas station. The risk of a substantial accident goes up, therefore the cost to insure goes up. It's a well known issue within the insurance industry.

We can argue about all the politics, but having spent time on the fringe of the insurance industry and being ok at math, their logic really does make sense.

I was 20 feet away from the last AD at the Tanner show. I am sure that I am biased as a result, but as a CWP holder I see the logic and would find it difficult to argue for loaded weapons at the show, at least from the insurance companies standpoint.