Self Defense as Defense in Court

[eddiememphis]

Rittenhouse claimed self defense and was found not guilty. Many cheered the verdict as a win for the 2nd Amendment.

Matthew Doloff, the security guard 9news hired in 2020 shot and killed a protester, in what could be argued is a similar incident. He is claiming self defense as well.

Will the Kenosha outcome have an effect on the Denver trial?

[Ah Pook]

I was wondering what happened to that case.

Considering the man who was shot was backing up/retreating when he was shot, how can it be self defense?

[sampson]

What's important is what race where the victim/assailant? <sarcasm>

[FoxtArt]

Time and time again... It only matters what you can convince a jury of. A man that strangled 34 hookers can argue self defense if he wants. Doesn't mean a jury will believe it. That it...all it boils down to.

[eddiememphis]

Time and time again... It only matters what you can convince a jury of.

Four months ago, FoxArt called it correctly.

I don't see this as some deep rooted conspiracy, it seems to be a case of charging the suspect with the wrong crime.

Just as with Kenosha, had the DA pursued manslaughter, the defendants would likely be jailed for years.

[hollohas]

Four months ago, FoxArt called it correctly.

I don't see this as some deep rooted conspiracy, it seems to be a case of charging the suspect with the wrong crime.

Just as with Kenosha, had the DA pursued manslaughter, the defendants would likely be jailed for years.

What jury? It never went to trial. The DA didn't charge him with the wrong crime, the DA isn't charging him AT ALL.

[eddiememphis]

What jury? It never went to trial. The DA didn't charge him with the wrong crime, the DA isn't charging him AT ALL.

He was formally charged with 2nd degree murder in October of 2020. The DA dropped the cases because, "We are not able to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

My point is the burden of proof the State must provide in order to get a conviction is likely less for manslaughter than 2nd degree murder, although if the claim of self defense is enough to dismiss the high charge, it likely would be in the lesser as well.

Which goes to my original post. Would the jury finding Rittenhouse not guilty due to self defense have an effect on this case? It looks to that it may have. The Denver DA looked at the outcome of that trial and may have concluded that this would turn out the same.

That seems much more likely than a backroom conspiracy where they gathered and someone said, "He was working for the news, which is promoting a leftist agenda. Let's let him go, he did the right thing killing that racist, Trump loving hate monger."

[.455_Hunter]

He was formally charged with 2nd degree murder in October of 2020. The DA dropped the cases because, "We are not able to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

My point is the burden of proof the State must provide in order to get a conviction is likely less for manslaughter than 2nd degree murder, although if the claim of self defense is enough to dismiss the high charge, it likely would be in the lesser as well.

Which goes to my original post. Would the jury finding Rittenhouse not guilty due to self defense have an effect on this case? It looks to that it may have. The Denver DA looked at the outcome of that trial and may have concluded that this would turn out the same.

That seems much more likely than a backroom conspiracy where they gathered and someone said, "He was working for the news, which is promoting a leftist agenda. Let's let him go, he did the right thing killing that racist, Trump loving hate monger."

So you don't think "Unlicensed Fox News security guard kills local community activist at BLM protest" wouldn't have gotten more prosecutorial dedication?

[Aloha_Shooter]

He was formally charged with 2nd degree murder in October of 2020. The DA dropped the cases because, "We are not able to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

My point is the burden of proof the State must provide in order to get a conviction is likely less for manslaughter than 2nd degree murder, although if the claim of self defense is enough to dismiss the high charge, it likely would be in the lesser as well.

Which goes to my original post. Would the jury finding Rittenhouse not guilty due to self defense have an effect on this case? It looks to that it may have. The Denver DA looked at the outcome of that trial and may have concluded that this would turn out the same.

That seems much more likely than a backroom conspiracy where they gathered and someone said, "He was working for the news, which is promoting a leftist agenda. Let's let him go, he did the right thing killing that racist, Trump loving hate monger."

I don't think so. This DA would have prosecuted Rittenhouse to fullest extent. IMO, she dropped the case because she never wanted to prosecute the guy anyway. He only shot a deplorable anyway, she probably would have preferred to give him an award.

[BPTactical]