Dunno, I haven't heard anything on it since so either people gave up and stopped trying or they decided to let shit through
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Dunno, I haven't heard anything on it since so either people gave up and stopped trying or they decided to let shit through
So if anyone follows the Reddit NFA thread this was posted up, cannot confirm how true it is but it makes sense on what happened to the February and March 2022 certified eForm 4's and why they have been taking longer.
"I talked to an ATF agent from my local field office on June 28th. he was surprisingly helpful and contacted the NFA branch to see what was going on with these wild approvals. This is what he said: The ATF had started out processing eform 4s by doing the background checks first. This was fine until they got overwhelmed with applications. This meant that they had run background checks for thousands of forms before they were processed. As the forms started to pile up, they were concerned that if they did a background check on a form that would not be processed for months, the background check would not be current. What they did was put all of those forms back in the stack. Now, they will do the background check with the FBI AFTER the form is processed. They explicitly said that it was not the FBIs fault. They did also say that they have just started on the February stack"
So basically they fucked up, then when they realized their fuck up they just put the Feb and March forms back in the pile, at the end of the line. That's why you are seeing April forward certifications getting approved, and virtually no Feb / April certs getting approved. They are just now getting to them. If they didn't fuck up we'd all have our cans now - but since they just put them at the back of the line, they went from an average 90 day approval to a 150+ day approval....................................."
Last edited by Skully; 07-09-2022 at 06:47.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
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SO today marks 145 days for my eFile Form 4.
Annoying, but I was under the belief and with sadness my 3rd can I bought would be the first I bring home because it was eFile the other two were paper form 4's and done in Sept and Dec 2021.
Today I got an unexpected call that I got my form 4 paper in a batch approval, WTF????
I am stoked and laughing that AFT has no pattern ever......................
Last edited by Skully; 07-16-2022 at 21:32.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
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265 so far on my paper form 4
Maybe?Originally Posted by 00tec
Total not the norm for me to have good luck, so this is weird but counting my blessing at this moment.
When did you submit, end of October? This is probably not the norm. Unless the AFT did something to speed things up to get rid of all the paper apps?
My dealer called left a voicemail cause I didnt answer watching a movie. He was like: "................DUDE! I cannot frigging believe it, we are all in awe right now. Your approval came in for the Sandman S!"
SO I call him back in shock and he said; "...............we cannot believe this came in so fast, but you sitting down? After I left you a message the next envelope, I opened was also yours, for the Turbo! WTF!
I am still in shock 9 months is all it took for both cans bought two months apart, was planning on 15 months the way things have been going.
Last edited by Skully; 07-16-2022 at 21:33.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
My feedback
Don't you go getting my hopes up. Damn you!
Check cashed 10/25.
This was a gift from my best friends. My intro into NFA.
Last edited by 00tec; 07-16-2022 at 21:54.
I didnt mean to give you hope.
That was really really random from what i see. Most of what my dealer was telling me backed up by the NFA tracking posts for timelines on various forums are saying 12-14 months is norm. In the opposite my eFile Form 4 has gone way beyond the 90 days advertised.
Cross your fingers, what ever brings luck. I just set my mind on a 13 month timeframe and have been blessed I guess.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
My feedback
Day 274, paper. I've heard a few early paper approvals so I'm getting some false hope over here
There was a guy who posted after me on the NFA tracking thread on ARFcom that his Paper Form 4 was approved similar to mine, 10/15/2015 submitted and approved 7/15/2022 so right at 9 months. Maybe, just maybe they are working diligently to get rid of the back log of Paper Form 4s? Can only hope now if the eFile was more consistent.......................
However;
ATF finally updated their timelines for processing, and it is interesting eFile Form 4 now shows an average of 100 days. (Though AFT never said 90 day guarantees just what they wish for.) and Paper Form 4 is 12 months.
Current Processing Times | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov)
Last edited by Skully; 07-17-2022 at 21:57.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
My feedback
Still waiting on my 2/14 eform submission lol. They've been processing Feb forms the last week or so though.
What I'm curious about now is, how far back is this going to push May-ish and onward forms that should have been going through now instead?
Looking at grabbing a can from ECCO but now we basically have zero idea of how far out current submissions might be
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