Trucker protest/embargo of Colorado

[CS1983]

Didnt that retard end 4 peoples lives?

When did Polis commute the 4 peoples deaths? IS someone going to notify their families that Polis is going to commute their death sentences and have them rise from the dead?


HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE by his reckless behavior.

People get more time for a single rape than this guy got after Polis was done.

Maybe next we should feel bad for Nathan Dunlap?

Odd argument... that negligence leading unintentionally to someone's death is worse than the sexual, physical, psychological violation of rape and that we should feel bad for someone who premeditated a multiple 1st degree murder scenario.

Try harder.

[.455_Hunter]

He had a series of cascading events which it is not clear he was trained in mitigating once it all went bad, or if he even knew or could read the runaway truck ramp sign, etc. I've read plenty of truckers' commentary on this, including those who drive that stretch weekly. From what I gather, all of their responses basically boil down to this: once the event started, he was screwed. It's not clear to me that his negligence extends beyond ignorance that lead to sheer terror and incompetent decision making once it went bad. If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.

He had problems with his brakes coming down from the top of Floyd Hill, and was witnessed to be speeding and driving erratically at that time. He then drove through the uphill and flat sections of the interstate near El Rancho and the Buffalo Overlook- HE COULD HAVE PULLED OFF AND STOPPED, but chose to start down Genesee.

[TheNash]

He had a series of cascading events which it is not clear he was trained in mitigating once it all went bad, or if he even knew or could read the runaway truck ramp sign, etc. I've read plenty of truckers' commentary on this, including those who drive that stretch weekly. From what I gather, all of their responses basically boil down to this: once the event started, he was screwed. It's not clear to me that his negligence extends beyond ignorance that lead to sheer terror and incompetent decision making once it went bad. If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.

Yes, I do believe consecutive sentencing is wrong when it essentially results in a life sentence, and even the judge agreed he thought the sentence was harsh but his hands were tied by the state laws. The dude was not high, drunk, and he cooperated post-crash. No criminal record, green card, barely spoke English.

Again, there are a lot of things I do not see clearly as proven which would make this a good sentence, and in light of that I simply must in conscience consider this sentence malicious. This was an emotionally charged, politically expedient case for the DA, much like the Rittenhouse trial and we saw how much BS took place in that.

RTFB (read the fucin book)

All you do is read comments that agree with your opinion. You keep repeating you would like to see how this could be his fault because he can’t read that’s why they have universal pictures. Read the permit manual go back and read the whole transcript of the trial then come back and state your opinion until then [MOD EDIT: NOPE].

[MOD: I suppose we're past due on reminding folks to agree to disagree on other members posts and to always show respect to those members - PERIOD; EXCLAMATION POINT]

[Bailey Guns]

If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.

I drove a propane tanker and a bobtail on that stretch of interstate many times between 2011 and 2015 from one of our plants in Idaho Springs.

Truck driving 101. Slow down and down-shift to a low gear before you start going downhill on steep grades so the engine brake can set the speed of your truck. If he passed a test for a CDL-A in this country he was taught that. That's been said here over and over. That's as simple as it gets. Once you negligently start down that hill in a gear that's too high or without slowing down, and once your speed gets to a certain point, you're not gonna be able to stop or downshift. That's when you take one of the runaway ramps. Yes...it's that simple. You just have to do it. Thousands of inexperienced drivers navigate that stretch of road every week without killing 4 people because they do what they were taught to do and because they follow posted speed limits.

If you can't read traffic signs you shouldn't be driving.

I will say that, obviously, there are many others complicit in the deaths of these people for allowing that guy to get behind the wheel. That doesn't excuse him from what he did.

In my opinion the sentence was just regardless of how it makes anyone 'feel'. In my opinion Polis is pandering to popular opinion and his commutation of the sentence was wrong.

This was a failure that goes way beyond this guy's inability to control his truck and read English. This is a failure of our entire system that's far too progressive and permissive in terms of multi-culturalism and other trends. And I guarantee you after something like this it's gonna get worse instead of better and, ironically, this will be a catalyst for the "fix" that makes it worse. Everything except the problem will be blamed.

It's probably my fault somehow anyway because I'm an old, white, conservative male that has to have road signs printed in English instead of Spanish in order to get around the country.

[hollohas]

I tow a 37ft trailer through there frequently. Have for years. Downshift. Exhaust brake. Don't burn up your brakes. Use the runaway ramp if something goes wrong. Doesn't take a rocket scientist. Doesn't require English.

Regardless if we all agree on the sentence, should Polis have let the justice process work? Wait until an appeal can be reviewed? Gosh, I don't know, let the system do what it's designed to do to see if it actually ends up with such a long sentence at the end of the day?

[Joe_K]

Judge lets off a criminal with minimal sentence.

[public] OMG! Not right! Sentencing should be mandatory!

Truck driver wipes out lives. Mandatory sentencing says 100+ years.

[public] OMG! Not right! Mandatory sentencing is malicious and needs to be eliminated!

Liberal judge sentences prolific criminal to almost no time in jail.

[public] OMG! Not right!.........


Rinse. Repeat. Anyone who believes that legislation, if crafted by the "right people", will correctly apply in all cases that will be seen is a fruit loop. The law is never going to be the answer no matter how loud the public screams.

Sounds like a good excuse to bring back Cities of Refuge and the Laws of the Pursuer.

[TheNash]

United States sign


Mexico sign they show either a car or a truck. So no excuse of not knowing what the sign means.

[MrPrena]

I don't know why Mexico road sign is relevant respect to US road sign? The dude never lived in Mexico.

He is from Cuba.



Eta with link
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/12/...interstate-70/






Reminds me of this.

[TheNash]

The road sign is relevant because no matter where he came from or what language he speaks, the road signs are universal. So there is no excuse because he can not read English road signs.

[RblDiver]

Do we now ruin a person’s life because he’s a fucking retard or doesn’t know what to do?

Knowing only what I've seen in this thread so far, considering he ruined 4 people's lives (directly, plus any indirect ruining like their loved ones etc)....yes!