Trucker protest/embargo of Colorado

[BPTactical]

^^^
Like that has ever stopped a Democrat.

Merely pandering to a certain demographic- Polesmoker has much bigger aspirations than this state.

[3beansalad]

There's a reason these are called accidents. Have you never had an accident?

BS. Accidents are unavoidable. There were many ways this dirtbag could have stopped that truck without killing others.

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[FromMyColdDeadHand]

F Polis. I'd put serious money into orgs that would run ads against Polis on this issue. I hope this ends up haunting him. So much for respecting jury trials!!!

He also is going to let an illegal with felony domestic violence issues get a pass so that he get to beat his wife again.

I'm going to change my name to DeMiFriaManoMuerta so I can get a sweet deal on all my felonies.

[Aloha_Shooter]

4 people.
I fully disagree with mandatory minimums in any space, but 110 years was a touch much here. He was stupid and fucked up. Should have been 25, IMO

Thank you for the correction. I could have gone with a sentence less than 110 years but even 25 is too little for this case IMO.

He did not wake up that morning and say to himself that he is going to murder as many people as possible today.

He did not say to himself, I am trusted with a big truck on a big hill, and this will make it easier for me to murder people today.

Was he negligent, yes, but so are a lot of other people, including the people that gave him that route, and that cargo, and his Commercial Drivers License.

That I might get overwhelmed and cause an accident that kills people? In a truck, down I-70, as an inexperienced driver?

There's a reason these are called accidents. Have you never had an accident?

There's a reason many of us who are or have been firearm instructors talk about negligent discharges instead of accidental discharges. It'd be an accident if the truck's brakes failed due to a condition that couldn't be foreseen -- this is NOT that case. This guy's actions were negligent, not accidental. He passed on at least 2 opportunities to pull off safely and CHOSE not to -- decisions which cost lives. Alec Baldwin probably didn't wake up planning on shooting 2 people either -- but he did shoot them. I might even be persuaded to be more lenient if it was just ONE negligent decision made in the haste -- but this guy made the wrong decisions several times.

You make it sound like he was sitting there, whistling dixie, and driving hell bent on murder.

But that's probably not the case.

He likely had no experience in driving down i-70, in a truck, with potentially fading brakes.

Yeah and I have no experience driving the Nurburgring at 160 mph. The B-52 crash at Fairchild in 1994 was a crash, not an accident, and is cited in Air Force leadership training precisely because the pilot-in-command made bad decisions -- and so did the people who let him make those decisions. If I choose to do something I lack experience in then eff it up, that's on me. It's not chance, it's not an act of God, it's not an accident.

[arbol]

He was convicted of vehicular homicide. Per the wiki definition, this can be negligent or murderous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

While it may have been/was negligent, from my perspective, this does not rise to murderous.

[TheNash]

He was convicted of vehicular homicide. Per the wiki definition, this can be negligent or murderous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

While it may have been/was negligent, from my perspective, this does not rise to murderous.

I can be lenient when “HE” burned up the breaks as being negligent. When “HE” passed up the run away ramps, this is when it becomes murderous.
So you must think Alex isn’t at fault either, from your perspective.

[arbol]

I'm sorry, Alex?

[CS1983]

I can be lenient when “HE” burned up the breaks as being negligent. When “HE” passed up the run away ramps, this is when it becomes murderous.
So you must think Alex isn’t at fault either, from your perspective.

Has it been thoroughly established 1) the chronology is correct on the sequence of events (or is it a case of a 17 year old taking a rifle across state lines lack of facts), and 2) did he even know what they were/could he get to them due to traffic?

I was under the impression he had no mountain driver training and at the time barely spoke English.

[hollohas]

2) did he even know what they were/could he get to them due to traffic?

I was under the impression he had no mountain driver training and at the time barely spoke English.

Yes, there is clear video of him passing a runaway ramp. The ramp in question is on the outside of a left-hand turn. He was going so fast, he took the turn on the inside, crossing two lanes and running a white pickup in the left lane off the road. In a turn like that and at that speed, it would have been MUCH easier to hit the ramp on the outside than take the turn on the inside like some nascar driver. That's why it's there, because a runaway truck like his can't make the left turn, and he almost didn't either. There were no other vehicles to his right blocking the entrance to the ramp as he was in the right lane. There was a vehicle to his left. He ran that one off the road rather than taking the clear open path to the ramp. That's a sketchy ramp because of the drop on the right, but he passed it by choice. Not because he couldn't get to it.

Him not having mountain driving experience is on him too. If I guide a bunch of people on a whitewater rafting trip and kill them all because I've never guided a raft before, that'd be on me. Him doing something he doesn't know how to do is on him.

And not speaking English is ZERO excuse for anything.

[CS1983]

Yes, there is clear video of him passing a runaway ramp. The ramp in question is on the outside of a left-hand turn. He was going so fast, he took the turn on the inside, crossing two lanes and running a white pickup in the left lane off the road. In a turn like that and at that speed, it would have been MUCH easier to hit the ramp on the outside than take the turn on the inside like some nascar driver. That's why it's there, because a runaway truck like his can't make the left turn, and he almost didn't either. There were no other vehicles to his right blocking the entrance to the ramp as he was in the right lane. There was a vehicle to his left. He ran that one off the road rather than taking the clear open path to the ramp. That's a sketchy ramp because of the drop on the right, but he passed it by choice. Not because he couldn't get to it.

Him not having mountain driving experience is on him too. If I guide a bunch of people on a whitewater rafting trip and kill them all because I've never guided a raft before, that'd be on me. Him doing something he doesn't know how to do is on him.

And not speaking English is ZERO excuse for anything.

You ever driven a runaway big rig in Mexico?

I haven't, but I know I'd be $5 in on Calle Coahuila if I did.