Nope. And therefore I have zero chance of being charged with vehicular manslaughter in Mexico.Originally Posted by CS1983
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Nope. And therefore I have zero chance of being charged with vehicular manslaughter in Mexico.
But what if desperation had you doing so?
Where would you be when everything turn to 6%+ grades of shit and you had no idea what was going on?
This is not a simple case. A lot in this thread are assuming malice.
Do we now ruin a person’s life because he’s a fucking retard or doesn’t know what to do?
Is inability to cope with a situation presented with terror and incompetence really a life sentence?
Fuck this state’s sentencing laws; they’re malicious. Polis did something smart for once.
If you’re not a truck driver who can articulate this guy’s training level and how he ignored it, I don’t want to hear it. It’s just ignorant bitching otherwise.
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I don’t know where in the world where you go up a very steep hill that you are not going to go back down a very steep hill. Also there are signs (with universal pictures) (just like with the lights on the dash so no mater what country you’re from it’s the same) way way before the down grade.
Yes it is a simple case, that’s is why the jury of his peers found him guilty.
He ruined peoples lives, and if there is no severe consequences for peoples actions we will end up with more and more people doing just what he did. As in not giving a fuck about the outcome of their actions.
Although I haven’t drove over the road in years the endorsements that I have require 6 hours a year of training on the new updates and a test.
It even states plan your route and if you don’t know ask another driver.
So how many things did he ignored before taking the lives in injuring the others?
Here is the text straight from the permit handbook that he should have taken at a dmv himself. If he had someone else take it well that’s on him also.
If the tester did not ask about mountain grades (which they do) he should have said that in court, he didn’t.
2.6.6 – Speed on Downgrades
Your vehicle’s speed will increase on downgrades because of gravity. Your most important objective is to select and maintain a speed that is not too fast for the:
Total weight of the vehicle and cargo. Length of the grade.
Steepness of the grade.
Road conditions.
Weather.
If a speed limit is posted, or there is a sign indicating “Maximum Safe Speed,” never exceed the speed shown. Also, look for and heed warning signs indicating the length and steepness of the grade. You must use the braking effect of the engine as the principal way of controlling your speed on downgrades. The braking effect of the engine
is greatest when it is near the governed rpms and the transmission is in the lower gears. Save your brakes so you will be able to slow or stop as required by road and traffic conditions. Shift your transmission to a low gear before starting down the grade and use the proper braking techniques. Please read carefully the section on going down long, steep downgrades safely in “Mountain Driving.”
2.16 – Mountain Driving
In mountain driving, gravity plays a major role. On any upgrade, gravity slows you down. The steeper the grade,
the longer the grade, and/or the heavier the load--the more you will have to use lower gears to climb hills or mountains. In coming down long, steep downgrades, gravity causes
the speed of your vehicle to increase. You must select an appropriate safe speed, then use a low gear, and proper braking techniques. You should plan ahead and obtain information about any long, steep grades along your planned route of travel. If possible, talk to other drivers who are familiar with the grades to find out what speeds are safe.
You must go slowly enough so your brakes can hold you back without getting too hot. If the brakes become too hot, they may start to “fade.” This means you have to apply them harder and harder to get the same stopping power. If you continue to use the brakes hard, they can keep fading until you cannot slow down or stop at all.
2.16.1 – Select a “Safe” Speed
Your most important consideration is to select a speed that is not too fast for the:
Total weight of the vehicle and cargo. Length of the grade.
Steepness of the grade.
Road conditions.
Weather.
If a speed limit is posted, or there is a sign indicating “Maximum Safe Speed,” never exceed the speed shown. Also, look for and heed warning signs indicating the length and steepness of the grade.
You must use the braking effect of the engine as the principal way of controlling your speed. The braking effect of the engine is greatest when it is near the governed rpms and the transmission is in the lower gears. Save your brakes so you will be able to slow or stop as required by road and traffic conditions
Commercial Driver’s License Manual | 2018 CDL Testing System
2.16.2 – Select the Right Gear before Starting
Down the Grade
Shift the transmission to a low gear before starting down the grade. Do not try to downshift after your speed has already built up. You will not be able to shift into a lower gear. You may not even be able to get back into any
gear and all engine braking effect will be lost. Forcing an automatic transmission into a lower gear at high speed could damage the transmission and also lead to loss of all engine braking effect.
With older trucks, a rule for choosing gears is to use the same gear going down a hill that you would need to climb the hill. However, new trucks have low friction parts and streamlined shapes for fuel economy. They may also have more powerful engines. This means they can go up hills
in higher gears and have less friction and air drag to hold them back going down hills. For that reason, drivers of modern trucks may have to use lower gears going down a hill than would be required to go up the hill. You should know what is right for your vehicle.
2.16.3 – Brake Fading or Failure
Brakes are designed so brake shoes or pads rub against the brake drum or disks to slow the vehicle. Braking
creates heat, but brakes are designed to take a lot of
heat. However, brakes can fade or fail from excessive
heat caused by using them too much and not relying on
the engine braking effect. Brake fade is also affected by adjustment. To safely control a vehicle, every brake must do its share of the work. Brakes out of adjustment will stop doing their share before those that are in adjustment. The other brakes can then overheat and fade, and there will not be enough braking available to control the vehicle. Brakes can get out of adjustment quickly, especially when they are used a lot; also, brake linings wear faster when they are hot. Therefore, brake adjustment must be checked frequently.
2.16.4 – Proper Braking Technique
Remember. The use of brakes on a long and/or steep downgrade is only a supplement to the braking effect of the engine. Once the vehicle is in the proper low gear, the following are the proper braking techniques:
Apply the brakes just hard enough to feel a definite slowdown.
When your speed has been reduced to approximately five mph below your “safe” speed, release the brakes. (This brake application should last for about three seconds.)
When your speed has increased to your “safe” speed, repeat steps 1 and 2.
For example, if your “safe” speed is 40 mph, you would not apply the brakes until your speed reaches 40 mph. You now apply the brakes hard enough to gradually reduce your speed
to 35 mph and then release the brakes. Repeat this as often as necessary until you have reached the end of the downgrade.
Escape ramps have been built on many steep mountain downgrades. Escape ramps are made to stop runaway vehicles safely without injuring drivers and passengers. Escape ramps use a long bed of loose, soft material to slow a runaway vehicle, sometimes in combination with an upgrade.
Know escape ramp locations on your route. Signs show drivers where ramp are located. Escape ramps save lives, equipment and cargo.
Subsections 2.15 and 2.16
Test Your Knowledge
1. What factors determine your selection of a “safe” speed when going down a long, steep downgrade?
2. Why should you be in the proper gear before starting down a hill?
3. Describe the proper braking technique when going down a long, steep downgrade.
4. What type of vehicles can get stuck on a rail- road-highway crossing?
5. How long does it take for a typical tractor-trailer unit to clear a double track?
These questions may be on the test. If you can’t answer them all, re-read subsections 2.15 and 2.16.
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Yeah, committing 26 serious crimes including multiple homicides is worth a life sentence. There are no do overs. This wasn't a little screw up or victimless crime. It doesn't matter if he was scared or incompetent, he committed 26 serious crimes against real people and property. Requiring that he serve time for each of his crimes is not a malicious law.
Are you suggesting that people should be allowed to cause as much trouble as possible, hurt as many people as possible, kill as many people as possible and as long as their crimes are part of the same trial, they only do time for one of those crimes? Because that's what you're saying when you say the sentencing laws are malicious.
What's malicious is letting this guy off easy.
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That's a pretty thoughtful response. I'll remember it next time a cop makes a mistake after having only a second or two to react. If you're not a cop with cop training it's just ignorant bitching.
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Didnt that retard end 4 peoples lives?
When did Polis commute the 4 peoples deaths? IS someone going to notify their families that Polis is going to commute their death sentences and have them rise from the dead?
HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE by his reckless behavior.
People get more time for a single rape than this guy got after Polis was done.
Maybe next we should feel bad for Nathan Dunlap?
Judge lets off a criminal with minimal sentence.
[public] OMG! Not right! Sentencing should be mandatory!
Truck driver wipes out lives. Mandatory sentencing says 100+ years.
[public] OMG! Not right! Mandatory sentencing is malicious and needs to be eliminated!
Liberal judge sentences prolific criminal to almost no time in jail.
[public] OMG! Not right!.........
Rinse. Repeat. Anyone who believes that legislation, if crafted by the "right people", will correctly apply in all cases that will be seen is a fruit loop. The law is never going to be the answer no matter how loud the public screams.
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Hopefully the residents of our fine confinement facilities will give this upstanding non-driving careless un-citizen a very warm welcome and open his eyes to new and various ways of same gender pleasure.
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Apples and oranges. But you bring up a good point: negligence and mistakes should be measured based on experience and training level, along with the expectation of clearly outlined standards of behavior.
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He had a series of cascading events which it is not clear he was trained in mitigating once it all went bad, or if he even knew or could read the runaway truck ramp sign, etc. I've read plenty of truckers' commentary on this, including those who drive that stretch weekly. From what I gather, all of their responses basically boil down to this: once the event started, he was screwed. It's not clear to me that his negligence extends beyond ignorance that lead to sheer terror and incompetent decision making once it went bad. If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.
Yes, I do believe consecutive sentencing is wrong when it essentially results in a life sentence, and even the judge agreed he thought the sentence was harsh but his hands were tied by the state laws. The dude was not high, drunk, and he cooperated post-crash. No criminal record, green card, barely spoke English.
Again, there are a lot of things I do not see clearly as proven which would make this a good sentence, and in light of that I simply must in conscience consider this sentence malicious. This was an emotionally charged, politically expedient case for the DA, much like the Rittenhouse trial and we saw how much BS took place in that.
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