Like cockroaches in the night

[Calvin]

So much for transparency. I think what the Communist dictator meant was Tyranny noy transparency.

Well I ask you, does America break out the KY or the Tar and Feathers?

Moon.

[Ranger353]

So much for transparency. I think what the Communist dictator meant was Tyranny noy transparency.

Well I ask you, does America break out the KY or the Tar and Feathers?

Moon.

I assume you are talking about the O, but what specifically are you talking about? Health Care? TORT Reform? What?

[GreenScoutII]

Can you elaborate a bit? Most of the guys here are happy to share in your disgust for our inspirational leader, we just want to know what exactly we're bitching about...

[Calvin]

Supposedly, the thugs (Senate) is voting on the healthcare bill at 1:00 am this Monday morning. About as slimy as it gets fellas.

Perhaps we should all get together and welcome our traitors Spudall and smegget when they arrive back home, you know, just to say thanks.

Moon.

[sniper7]

Yeah I heard they are supposed to vote tonight. I hope some of them get stuck in the storms, or worse. fuck these slimy bastards. they are destroying this country for the citizens and taking everything for themselves. soon there will be nothing left to take.

I believe it was Alexander Hamilton that said we need a revolution every 200 years. We aren't too far off.

[Irving]

I know that many of the things we bitch about today (the '86 machine gun registry ban for instance) were passed in the middle of the night, however I'm confused. If it is up to the people who are voting, why does it matter what time they make the vote at? My American Government knowledge is rusty.

[Calvin]

If it was good for America, they would do it in plain sight for all eyes to see. Unfortunately for us, they do it in the cover of darkness, thinking that no one is watching.

Moon.

[GreenScoutII]

Well, what one has to realize about liberals is that they actually believe they are going to help people. While their intent is noble, the consequenses can be dire. I have long believed our politicians, with a few exceptions, are completely detached from reality.

I think a lot of people would agree our current health care system has problems and offers much room for improvement. Some reform is probably necessary, but not what the Dems are proposing. I think it is probably a good thing that this particular bill is a somewhat watered down version of what was being proposed. A public option would have spiraled out of control in terms of cost and scope.

Actually I think this so called health care reform has been brewing for a long time. The way I look at it, when we have a system that frequently bankrupts people with high medical bills, a substantial number of people are going to cry foul. Rightfully so. Unfortunately, the target of the collective anger has been misidentified. The solutions proposed thus far will only make worse the problems they were intended to solve. This is what I mean by detachment from reality.

Ok. A couple of practical examples:

The DMV... I'm sure we all have nightmare stories about of what a clusterfuck that experience can be.. Seriously, how hard can it be to issue license plates and titles?

The DOT.. When was the last time any highway project was completed on schedule at any price even aproximating it's budget?

I used these two examples as a way to illustrate the type of inefficency and beaurocratic interference typical of anything run by the government. Do we really want these same people in charge of our healthcare?

I have some thoughts on what I think would be a better solution, but I'm too tired right now and I'm tired of typing. Maybe I'll post them tomorrow..

[7idl]

we were sold out (surprise!) 60/40 final vote

we can start something.. Here in CO, we can recall our senators.

http://www.i2i.org/Publications/Colo...on/cnart21.htm

[BigBear]

Senators/congressmen, et al would actually read the bills and sand on their electoral "promises" if they were held to the same standards. For instance (one out of a million instances I could probably recall) Did you know that the passed health care (mandatory or fine) "option" does not include the House or Senate? That is correct, they have their own health care system (all free to them with use of the best doctors America has to offer of their choice) paid by the taxpayers.

They pass stuff in the middle of the night because the offices are "closed" then and they do not "have" to respond to telephone calls from their constituents. Also, they are too busy gambling, fornicating, and wasting money during the day to be bothered by voting or doing thier job.