Biden is going to abandon more Americans

[00tec]

Of course, the bigger question is: Why is it the USA's responsibility to deter or thwart a Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Treaty

[MrPrena]

Of course, the bigger question is: Why is it the USA's responsibility to deter or thwart a Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Treaty

Exactly. If we don't want to help them, don't encourag these countries to give up on nukes.

Ukraine had 3rd most after ussr breakup?

Again, if we don't get into these treaties and trade partnerships at this date ,China will scoop up all the trade partnership and treaties.
No help? No Treaty? No trade partnership? No military backing?
Sure.... China and Russia is more than happy to take our spot.

Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with the Republic of Belarus'/Republic of Kazakhstan's/Ukraine's accession to the?Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

[clodhopper]

There is no real reason that the US needs to be the first to rush in and police the world. In this case we shouldnt have penned the treaty with Ukraine.... stupid on our part. The treaty should have been with Nato, not just the US. Despite the treaty, Nato should the be one calling the shots and we just provide our portion of the effort. I stand by the idea that most of these situations should be handled by the United Nations as a coalition. It would be an absolute sh1tshow as the UN has always had the US to do the dirty work. But just because they would be less competent is any reason why we should be expected to rush in and bear the brunt of the problem.

[eddiememphis]

Many countries probably WILL THINK that it is better to go nuclear than get invaded. It is all depends on how this rolls.

Just off of my head....
East European and 1 or 2 former soviets.
Some eastern Asian countries near China and North Korea.

Countries which are more established financially and well diversified.
Countries which already has many nuclear power plants, and has enough reactor grade isotopes.

I read some articles that Ukrainian are regretting giving up nuclear.


India, Pakistan, Israel is one group to go nuclear.
Libya , Kazakhstan, Ukraine,Belarus, etc is one who went opposite.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ukra...&bih=667&dpr=3

You are saying by June, Libya and the other 3 will have nuclear weapons?

[MrPrena]

No. Those 3 went opposite and gave up nuclear program.
Libya gave up during W admin.


(I am on mobile and just added link to wiki)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...uclear_weapons

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liby...ss_destruction

[hollohas]

Ukraine must really hate Biden by now. Obama/Biden denied military aid back in 2014 when Russia was arming Ukrainian separatists. Obama/Biden sent blankets and food. Back then Ukrainian president Poroshenko argued with the Obama admin that ?one cannot win a war with blankets.?

And now Russia is taking advantage of another weak president. (The weakest we've seen IMO). Biden's weakness has been a main catalyst for this.

I don't think Ukraine is counting on that treaty too much...

[BushMasterBoy]

Containerize the fissile materials in inert gas and you can store it a long time. If the core of the weapons grade materials oxidizes it has to be smelted to purity and remanufactured.



Interesting link below on US nuclear weapons.

https://www.acq.osd.mil/ncbdp/nm//NM.../chapter4.html

[eddiememphis]

If this shit fails, many countries will get them self nuclear.
There are many many countries which are about 2.5 month away from getting one themselves. Allies and enemies.

I don't think you understand my question.

You said there are many countries that are 2.5 months away from getting nukes.

I asked which countries.

You posted wikipedia links, without answering.

So let me ask again. What countries will have nuclear weapons by June of 2022 that do not already have them?

I am not being a dick, (well, kind of) but when you assert something like that you should be able to answer clearly.

[MrPrena]

I don't think you understand my question.

You said there are many countries that are 2.5 months away from getting nukes.

I asked which countries.

You posted wikipedia links, without answering.

So let me ask again. What countries will have nuclear weapons by June of 2022 that do not already have them?

I am not being a dick, (well, kind of) but when you assert something like that you should be able to answer clearly.

You asked me 3 countries incl Libya. So I answered it thst they went opposite as I stated before.
I guess you did not read previous post to the one quoted.
I said potentially have. NOT WILL HAVE.

I could have been more clear. I am not a king of those countries, cannot 100% tell you they will or not. However they will think of going. If they decide to, they can potentially go within 2.5 mo.


REQUIEMENTS ARE.... (AGAIN)



Quote Originally Posted by MrPrena View Post
Many countries probably WILL THINK that it is better to go nuclear than get invaded. It is all depends on how this rolls.

Just off of my head....
East European and 1 or 2 former soviets.
Some eastern Asian countries near China and North Korea.

Countries which are more established financially and well diversified.
Countries which already has many nuclear power plants, and has enough reactor grade isotopes.

[FoxtArt]

There is no real reason that the US needs to be the first to rush in and police the world. In this case we shouldnt have penned the treaty with Ukraine.... stupid on our part. The treaty should have been with Nato, not just the US. Despite the treaty, Nato should the be one calling the shots and we just provide our portion of the effort. I stand by the idea that most of these situations should be handled by the United Nations as a coalition. It would be an absolute sh1tshow as the UN has always had the US to do the dirty work. But just because they would be less competent is any reason why we should be expected to rush in and bear the brunt of the problem.

The League of Nations did such a great job in policing the world and preventing another World War.

Perhaps massive groups of politicians is bound to be as inept as a 96 year old transgender's prick.