Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

[Gman]

Pass. WAY too many moving parts for my personal taste. I also prefer the other benefits that come with 100% EV I've come to appreciate over the years.

Wasn't proposing that you buy one, was responding to the poster pitching the idea of an electric truck with a propane generator. Please pay attention.

[Gman]

MrPrena,

We've been a fan of Hyundai for quite some time. Wife won't let us buy a KIA, although they are cousins. Noticed early on that Hyundai covered the battery packs and motors on their EVs under their 10-year drivetrain warranty. Is it the same for KIA?

[BushMasterBoy]

I think this is probably the wave of the future. Big electric truck made by Mercedes.

[Gman]

For OTR trucking, I envision large interchangeable battery modules (universal). Truck pulls into station and swaps depleted modules for fresh. Full range in a few minutes. The depleted modules are then charged for a future customer.

ETA: I'm not sure if even that is feasible since the weight of the fuel (batteries) reduces the overall carrying capacity of the truck/trailer combo.

[MrPrena]

Your neighbors will love you if you leave early in the mornings.

Yup. Slightly less roar than 63 cold start, but this reversing sounds much more annoying.
Seriously it is so annoying that a lady with the walker moved out of the way at a parking lot.

[DDT951]

I'm not sure I'm tracking this claim you're making.

I am saying EVs are cheaper to make. But they are sold at a premium price. Part of that premium price is the federal kickback. "But you get $7500 back from the government" (cough cough "so we will charge you an extra $7500")

Once prices come in line (or cheaper) than ICE, they will be the first choice of consumers.

As an example, a 2019 VW e-golf was $32K. A 2019 Golf GTI was $28.5k. Base Golf was $22.7k (I used those because the ID4 has replaced Golf and same car could be compared). So the EV versions are [much] more expensive.

[Gman]

Are they cheaper to make? They may be conceptually simpler, but they involve rare earth components and complicated battery chemistry that aren't easy to come by. Even though a combustion engine has more moving parts, those parts aren't usually made from exotic materials and they make millions of them.

If it's anything like the computer industry, the commodity parts are the cheaper parts. Anything they make tons of is usually cheaper than something that has a smaller target market. Remember when SSDs where really small and expensive but the common spinning disks with moving parts were cheaper? Now SSDs are pretty inexpensive and becoming the primary storage type.

[MrPrena]

MrPrena,

We've been a fan of Hyundai for quite some time. Wife won't let us buy a KIA, although they are cousins. Noticed early on that Hyundai covered the battery packs and motors on their EVs under their 10-year drivetrain warranty. Is it the same for KIA?

Yes and battery is 10y as well, but not transferable even to a family member nor spouse.

Biggest warranty I would worry about is using cheap aftermarket level2 charger and plastic area melt near the charging port. Extreme rare occasion even with cheap charger, but few wrote about that on some ev forums.
Most likely it might not get covered but some said charger manufacturer covered the repair.

https://origin-www.autobytel.com/kia...2022/warranty/

https://www.kia.com/us/en/warranty


Yeah. It is basically almost a same car. Infotainment is almost same as Hyundai. Dash and steering stuff are same/similar.
My wife drove elantra till June 2020 and she is very familiar with the kia electronics.

[MrPrena]

I am saying EVs are cheaper to make. But they are sold at a premium price. Part of that premium price is the federal kickback. "But you get $7500 back from the government" (cough cough "so we will charge you an extra $7500")

Once prices come in line (or cheaper) than ICE, they will be the first choice of consumers.

As an example, a 2019 VW e-golf was $32K. A 2019 Golf GTI was $28.5k. Base Golf was $22.7k (I used those because the ID4 has replaced Golf and same car could be compared). So the EV versions are [much] more expensive.

Great point.


It does cost less because they have a higher margin.
Sadly not selling enough, so they have those tax rebate upto certain quantities (~200k)

It is more of a micro econ issue than manufacturers trying to charge more to their ev customers. More quantities they manufacture, less marginal cost to make a vehicle.
I believe 1 single engine plane is also cheaper to make than 1 Hyundai, but they just do not have enough quantities sold to make the MC lower.

This is why automakers are pushing ev on the tv ad. Less parts and less cost assuming if they sell same quantity of ev as much as ice.





https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...h=4f5927c037fd

[Jer]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/p...o-s-drag-test/

Look at how quick the Tesla and Taycan are...

Not too shabby for a green automobile..

But one thing to notice. The Model S in Ludacris mode does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. Quarter mile is 10.51@ 125. That means at higher speeds it falling on its face. Look at the car above it. 10.48@139.7. That is closer to the speed a mid 10 second car should be hitting. The EVs are torque machines but cant keep up the HP on the top end.

Of course there is the argument that in the USA... all you need it 0-80 mph and the electric cars excel there.

You're not wrong on the previous cars like I have but look at the new Model S Plaid. It runs DEEP into the 9's in just about any condition. Look at it's performance numbers too. Mid 160's for a trap speed in the 1/4 mile are commonplace. The car pulls as hard from 100-120mph as it does from 20-40mph. It's unreal how they did it.

That said, I'll take you for spin in my old, slow clapped out POS 2017 P100D that "only" does the quarter mile in the mid 10-second-range and see what words you use to describe your experience. If you can talk.

I've taken so many people for rides in these cars and the 0-60 in 2.28 seconds will make your eyes cross and make it difficult to breath. I've heard grown men whimper like school girls when I launch it. It's become one of my favorite things to do for people who have never been in one because it's not comparable to anything you've ever experienced in your life unless you fly fighter jets. I'll beat 'em from 0-60 though.

Which brings us back full circle to what you said... that performance does drop off when you approach triple digits but... so? If I'm doing 75mph and I want to speed past someone I press the skinny pedal and passengers suck back in their seat and stop talking as the world blurs by. It's still stupid fast in all conditions. Real world numbers are more impressive because it's instant at any speed w/o any torque converters needing to lock up, gears needing to be found or engines needing to rev. It's just 761hp instantly anytime. I feel like a kid every single time I do it and it never gets old.