Thoughts about Ukraine?

[00tec]

Ukraine's official Twitter today
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/s...16168920547331

[hollohas]

The most significant thing that will come from this is the fracturing of international alliances. The world basically told Ukraine "here's a few missiles, good luck!"

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is our fight. But the fact remains, if the international groups just let a country spend months building up their forces on the border of another and then invade, what good are those groups? They're pointless, it's obvious to everyone now and now those groups will disappear.

We spent the last two years under enormous political turmoil worldwide, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. The world has been on edge and now borders are being redrawn. And these are just the first.

[Great-Kazoo]

Ukraine, front page[s] > Trucker convoy....???

Can't show a country where one way goods get delivered across the nation, questioning the politicians. Who it seems picked a convenient time to start dropping mask mandates.
They were holding fast in their convictions, that mask were Job #1!

Till some uppity canuks literally stopped the economy of cEhnEHdEH and the , ok, what's left of the auto makers in Mi.

[Doc45]

Putin is an evil piece of shit that should've received a high velocity third eye years ago. He's old school KGB, believes in the evil empire and shouldn't be sucking air. I agree with HBAR's comment as well especially having a son who just came home from what we hope is the last deployment of his career.

[JohnnyDrama]

This was my first thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQSmctFqZlI

Even without the subtitles, you get the message.

[JohnnyDrama]

To go a little deeper...

An extended war really benefits nobody. But I could foresee the purpose of the general attack being that it will paralyze Ukraine's military forces by requiring them to disperse all over the country, then Russia comes in and nibbles off the bits it wants.

After that it declares that the breakaway provinces are now part of Russia and it becomes a fait accompli. Putin basically says that he's going to stop his attacks (once he's gotten what he wants) and solidifies his control over the area. Maybe even lets the ethnic Ukrainians leave if they want to.

At that point, the war only continues if the Western nations want it to continue - and I don't see any real appetite for war with Russia anywhere outside of Ukraine.

EDITED TO ADD: This attack then serves several purposes:

First of all, it essentially makes Ukraine Russia's bitch. Even if Ukraine stays independent (I think it will), every Ukrainian leader will know that any time Putin wants a piece of Ukraine, he's going to take it and nobody is going to lift a hand to stop it.
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Lots of truth there. But it may destabilize the region long enough to tie up western forces that could be used if China or Iran decide to follow Putin's example. Furthermore, other nations will see that they will be on their own if it comes to defending themselves. Lastly, if Putin sits tight with just a little piece of Ukraine, he can wait for the west to exhaust itself with these brushfires and go in for the rest.

I sincerely hope the U.S, doesn't get involved.

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Russia and China were buying their way with our government to position themselves where they wanted to be. Trump threw a wrench in that for 4 years. Now they're cashing in.
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Agreed. As long as we have Biden, or someone like him in the Oval Office, I see a good chance of American involvement to make it look like we?re doing something.

[RblDiver]

I'm honestly torn. On the one hand, I definitely get the idea of not wanting to shed our blood. On the other, we did promise to defend Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear disarmament. Obama shot that to hell, now Biden's finishing the job. Basically, why would anyone want to give them up now? Why would anyone trust the US anymore?

I do cheer for every Russian loss.

[BPTactical]

Puddin Joe putting “Sanctions” on Russia is like telling a convict with a 500 year, no parol possible sentence that he just got another 20 years thrown on for having a food fight in the cafeteria.




And we are still buying oil from the Rooskies

[OneGuy67]

I'm honestly torn. On the one hand, I definitely get the idea of not wanting to shed our blood. On the other, we did promise to defend Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear disarmament. Obama shot that to hell, now Biden's finishing the job. Basically, why would anyone want to give them up now? Why would anyone trust the US anymore?

I do cheer for every Russian loss.

Exactly! In the Budapest Memorandum, we made promises. Promises from the United States should mean something. I've come to realize they don't as every single group who has made decisions on those promises have been screwed over. The Hmongs during Vietnam, the Kurds after Desert Storm, The Afghani's and the Iraqi's who agreed to work with our forces; the list can go on and on. Our word as a nation should mean something.

[FoxtArt]

Politics are predatory. Russia has been testing the waters to make sure the response would be "nothing", and then attacked. They called our bluff.

What shouldve happened is we shouldve called their bluff. If we had inducted Ukraine into NATO in some emergency session, cleaved off the two separatist regions and let Russia have them, what would be the result? Some sabre rattling, but Russia wont risk a war vs. The world either, they wouldnt survive it. There would've been no war. Instead, Russia is using that principle to its advantage, not us, and nobody will intervene as Russia expands because they dont want a world war.

If it was apparent we would honor our word and our treaties, Russia would not invite its own doom either. An aggressive political posture often leads to more peace.

Outright announcing that you will 100% do nothing, does not. Predators attack prey that poses little to no risk of injury. A coyote wont attack a bull because it is likely to get fatally gored. They coexist peacefully.