Thoughts about Ukraine?

[Bailey Guns]

Pretty much the entire world is having a meltdown over Putin's actions so far. And rightly so... If he used nukes on a Ukrainian city that would put an end to him and Russia as it exists today. He'd also likely lose a major Russian city in the process. He has a lot to lose.

Nukes (and fear) are the only option the Russians have for projecting their military power around the world (by that I mean anything other than a land battle in Europe). Logistics have ALWAYS been a problem for the Russian military. They have a massive army but they can't move it and support it around the world like we can. Their navy isn't a match for the US navy and the combined navies of the major western countries. Putin won't resort to nukes over Ukraine. If it gets any worse for him they'll find a way to "settle" their differences and he'll withdraw forces in a way to save face. It'll all be BS but that's how it'll be marketed.

[Martinjmpr]

Pretty much the entire world is having a meltdown over Putin's actions so far. And rightly so... If he used nukes on a Ukrainian city that would put an end to him and Russia as it exists today. He'd also likely lose a major Russian city in the process. He has a lot to lose.

Putin won't resort to nukes over Ukraine.

I'm not sure he could if he wanted to. As I said earlier, it's not like there's a big red button on Putin's desk that he pushes to launch nukes. There is a chain of command going down from Putin to the guy who actually pushes the button or turns the key. Unless every single person in that chain was a die-hard (literally, as in willing to die) Putin supporter, it's likely that somebody along that chain would put a stop to it before it got to a launch.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong but this isn't the Cold War where the USSR strictly controlled news going in and out of the country. Every Russian has the ability to know very well what is going on in the world. How many of them are willing to immolate the world to serve Putin's megalomania? Putin may very well be willing to destroy the world to prove he's a tough guy, but unless every general, colonel, captain, sergeant and private all the way down is willing to do so, I don't see it happening.

[Zundfolge]

Pretty much the entire world is having a meltdown over Putin's actions so far. And rightly so...

I suspect Putin is more in the wrong here than in the right. But every day we discover that what we were told yesterday was a lie ( https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02...-social-media/ ) so I'm not ready to condemn him, nor ready to see his cities nuked, nor ready to duck-and-cover out of fear of his nukes.

The fact that every Democrat, George Soros and the leftist media are so gung ho to condemn Putin and praise Ukraine makes be wonder if we're not being suckered into something nefarious here yet again (WMDs in Iraq, the sinking of the US Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, "Remember the Maine!" Operation Northwoods*, etc).

*which thankfully never came to fruition ... but can you imagine what would have happened if it had ... we might not be here.

[Eric P]

I suspect Putin is more in the wrong here than in the right. But every day we discover that what we were told yesterday was a lie ( https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02...-social-media/ ) so I'm not ready to condemn him, nor ready to see his cities nuked, nor ready to duck-and-cover out of fear of his nukes.

The fact that every Democrat, George Soros and the leftist media are so gung ho to condemn Putin and praise Ukraine makes be wonder if we're not being suckered into something nefarious here yet again (WMDs in Iraq, the sinking of the US Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, "Remember the Maine!" Operation Northwoods*, etc).

*which thankfully never came to fruition ... but can you imagine what would have happened if it had ... we might not be here.

They are trying to 9-11-2000 a failing presidency. War rallies a population behind the president.

[FoxtArt]

I suspect Putin is more in the wrong here than in the right. But every day we discover that what we were told yesterday was a lie ( https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02...-social-media/ ) so I'm not ready to condemn him, nor ready to see his cities nuked, nor ready to duck-and-cover out of fear of his nukes.

The fact that every Democrat, George Soros and the leftist media are so gung ho to condemn Putin and praise Ukraine makes be wonder if we're not being suckered into something nefarious here yet again (WMDs in Iraq, the sinking of the US Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, "Remember the Maine!" Operation Northwoods*, etc).

*which thankfully never came to fruition ... but can you imagine what would have happened if it had ... we might not be here.

That is not far away from saying,

While I suspect the Nazi's might be slightly in the wrong, since the democrats believe the holocausts is real, maybe the holocaust is actually fake news and maybe the Nazi's had a point? Well anyway, we can't rule it out, because the democrats believe the holocaust is real something is likely up, we shouldn't be ready to condemn the Nazis just in case...

Has it ever occurred to some of you conspiracy-minded folks that maybe, some actions are so universally evil that people *gasp* can agree despite differing political opinions *gasp*. Evil people live in this world, some of them evil enough to unite idgits in agreement.

I never in my life thought conservatives would "devils advocate" on the side of a KGB-born dictator looking to restore the USSR. When people's justification for their opinions are based on little more than "I need to automatically believe the opposite of people I don't like", that's some kind of logical fallacy that is called "turn off the conspiracy news", and membership to the conservative party should be revoked.

RUSSIANS don't even want to be in Ukraine fighting. Their soldiers largely were told the invasion news was western propaganda until they were shoved in trucks and forced over the border. I have sympathy for the soldiers on the ground, but fuck Putin and anyone who advocates his opinions or parrots his propaganda. (not accusing anyone at this time, just giving perspective)My best wishes, however, to the actual Slavic soldiers on both sides who are forced to fight this bullshit war.

[Great-Kazoo]

That is not far away from saying,


Has it ever occurred to some of you conspiracy-minded folks that maybe, some actions are so universally evil that people *gasp* can agree despite differing political opinions *gasp*. Evil people live in this world, some of them evil enough to unite idgits in agreement.

I never in my life thought conservatives would "devils advocate" on the side of a KGB-born dictator looking to restore the USSR. When people's justification for their opinions are based on little more than "I need to automatically believe the opposite of people I don't like", that's some kind of logical fallacy that is called "turn off the conspiracy news", and membership to the conservative party should be revoked.

RUSSIANS don't even want to be in Ukraine fighting. Their soldiers largely were told the invasion news was western propaganda until they were shoved in trucks and forced over the border. I have sympathy for the soldiers on the ground, but fuck Putin and anyone who advocates his opinions or parrots his propaganda. (not accusing anyone at this time, just giving perspective)My best wishes, however, to the actual Slavic soldiers on both sides who are forced to fight this bullshit war.

says the guy who tried tying in the American trucker protest to russia.

[Zundfolge]

That is not far away from saying...

I said I don't trust the media coverage of the Ukraine situation and you spin that into me being a Nazi loving conspiracy nutter parroting Putin propaganda?

Your take is bad and you should feel bad.