Ukraine - Take two

[DDT951]

and what remains utterly impossible is probably true. <<SNIP>> they are delivering has a chip that'll send everyone's thoughts to Google for improved product ads.

Do you not think google is not working on something like that? Why did you put that as utterly impossible?

[Bailey Guns]

Ukraine has suffered terribly. But if Ukraine was 'beaten down', what would you call the price Russia paid to administer that beating? I'd call it a disaster...militarily and otherwise.

[Gman]

Russia had their bluff called and they've been revealed as a paper tiger. They're pretty good at killing civilians and blowing up apartment buildings.

Would be a shame if something happened to Putin during his cancer surgery.

[DDT951]

Russia had their bluff called and they've been revealed as a paper tiger. They're pretty good at killing civilians and blowing up apartment buildings.

Would be a shame if something happened to Putin during his cancer surgery.

They wouldn't want to go up against a trained / equipped Western military.

Of course that is probably why they are threatening nukes. Now that the West has seen how good the Russian military is in a conventional fight, nukes are their only deterrent.

And here we thought a group of kids from Calumet Colorado taking out the Russian military was fantasy....who knew how correct that movie was...

[eddiememphis]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

A poster on another thread showed the mineral wealth available to whoever controls the region.

I understand preventing your so-called enemy from controlling mineral wealth in order to keep them from becoming stronger. However, Russia has shown that they are very inept at maximizing the existing mineral wealth they have.

This has already turned into a proxy war. Pelosi and her sycophants vowing allegiance with the current government in Ukraine does nothing but further in flame existing animosity between United States and Russia.

What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?

[Gman]

Corruption in Ukraine goes way back. You can't put everything at the feet of the current government, as their intention to cleanup corruption was interrupted by OUR politicians on both sides of the aisle.

I have to go with the supporting the invadees over the invaders. What just purpose is Putin resolving by invading? They're simply killing civilians and looting everything they can.

How does making Russia stronger help us? Why should we help finance their military build-up?

I also have to think that if every other nation gave us the cold shoulder trying to fight a much bigger military power for our own independence, where would we be?

[Bailey Guns]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

They're fighting the Russians. They're doing a damn good job of making a very large part of the Russian army combat ineffective for several years. And they're not doing too badly against the Russian air force, either. That's a compelling reason. That's about as far as I'll go to defend Ukraine other than to say they have every right to kick the dogshit outta the Russians once the Russians crossed the border, regardless of how corrupt the Ukrainian gov't is. Having a seriously weakened Russian army and air force is a huge benefit to the US.

[BushMasterBoy]

This video is on the basics of the Javelin missile. Bunch of SF's with SATCOM, GPS, ATV's and they stopped the Russian Army!

[Gman]

The other thing I'll throw into this is that we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Soviet nukes. If Russia knew they could be glowing in the dark by going after Ukraine, they wouldn't have pulled the crap that they have.

In hindsight, Ukraine is probably figuring out they should have never done that, because they've taken significant losses and our assistance has been half-assed with previous Russian incursions allowed to happen without consequence. The message we sent with that ham-handed cluster was that in any future negotiation with any similar country, there's no way they'd take the same deal.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Truth.