Ukraine - Take two

[Bailey Guns]

Ukraine has suffered terribly. But if Ukraine was 'beaten down', what would you call the price Russia paid to administer that beating? I'd call it a disaster...militarily and otherwise.

[Gman]

Russia had their bluff called and they've been revealed as a paper tiger. They're pretty good at killing civilians and blowing up apartment buildings.

Would be a shame if something happened to Putin during his cancer surgery.

[DDT951]

Russia had their bluff called and they've been revealed as a paper tiger. They're pretty good at killing civilians and blowing up apartment buildings.

Would be a shame if something happened to Putin during his cancer surgery.

They wouldn't want to go up against a trained / equipped Western military.

Of course that is probably why they are threatening nukes. Now that the West has seen how good the Russian military is in a conventional fight, nukes are their only deterrent.

And here we thought a group of kids from Calumet Colorado taking out the Russian military was fantasy....who knew how correct that movie was...

[eddiememphis]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

A poster on another thread showed the mineral wealth available to whoever controls the region.

I understand preventing your so-called enemy from controlling mineral wealth in order to keep them from becoming stronger. However, Russia has shown that they are very inept at maximizing the existing mineral wealth they have.

This has already turned into a proxy war. Pelosi and her sycophants vowing allegiance with the current government in Ukraine does nothing but further in flame existing animosity between United States and Russia.

What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?

[Bailey Guns]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

They're fighting the Russians. They're doing a damn good job of making a very large part of the Russian army combat ineffective for several years. And they're not doing too badly against the Russian air force, either. That's a compelling reason. That's about as far as I'll go to defend Ukraine other than to say they have every right to kick the dogshit outta the Russians once the Russians crossed the border, regardless of how corrupt the Ukrainian gov't is. Having a seriously weakened Russian army and air force is a huge benefit to the US.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

You have to be intentionally blocking things if you haven't heard a compelling reason. Just because the morons on the left have been forced into supporting the right position for a change (albeit half-heartedly because their hearts lie with Marxism and authoritarianism no matter what they say) is no reason to be reflexively against whatever they say they support. This kind of response reminds me of the five year old with hands over his ears chanting loudly and repetitively, "I can't hear you".

It's fair to question direct intervention like enforcing a "no fly" zone with US planes and pilots but that's a different (if related) issue. Do you hold your breath because Barack Obama likes to breathe?

[eddiememphis]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon...-donbas-fight/

Another billion dollars today.

What is the US gaining by sending all this money? It is not a loan. It is not an investment.

How much have other NATO countries contributed?

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm

NATO condemns in the strongest possible terms Russia's brutal and unprovoked war against Ukraine - which is an independent, peaceful and democratic country, and a close NATO partner. The Alliance calls on President Putin to stop this war immediately, withdraw all his forces from Ukraine and engage in genuine diplomacy.


Thanks, guys.

[ruthabagah]

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon...-donbas-fight/

Another billion dollars today.

What is the US gaining by sending all this money? It is not a loan. It is not an investment.

How much have other NATO countries contributed?

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm

NATO condemns in the strongest possible terms Russia's brutal and unprovoked war against Ukraine - which is an independent, peaceful and democratic country, and a close NATO partner. The Alliance calls on President Putin to stop this war immediately, withdraw all his forces from Ukraine and engage in genuine diplomacy.


Thanks, guys.

They contributed 3.8b euro since February. Either in weapons, humanitarian help, taking in refugees, and pledges for the reconstruction.

This is a war by proxy against Russia and we need to win it, so that we get rid of Putin and send a clear warning to china that the world can be united against bullies. We have a once in history opportunity to force a major political change in Russia… this is priceless.

[Great-Kazoo]

This is a war by proxy against Russia and we need to win it, so that we get rid of Putin and send a clear warning to china that the world can be united against bullies. We have a once in history opportunity to force a major political change in Russia… this is priceless.

Based on how ineffective we were for the first 2 weeks. I doubt Chi-Na is worried what our, or the worlds, response would be. Once they're on the island. They sure as ^&* ain't leaving .

[ruthabagah]

Based on how ineffective we were for the first 2 weeks. I doubt Chi-Na is worried what our, or the worlds, response would be. Once they're on the island. They sure as ^&* ain't leaving .

Except they won?t get there? if Russia can?t roll into Ukraine how do you think china is going to land in Taiwan? Their military is even more corrupted than the Russian one? Their tanks are not maintained and their troop have low morale. Now, they are watching and learning from the Ukraine war. Not a good thing.