Ukraine - Take two

[eddiememphis]

I have yet to hear a compelling reason to side with Ukraine.

A poster on another thread showed the mineral wealth available to whoever controls the region.

I understand preventing your so-called enemy from controlling mineral wealth in order to keep them from becoming stronger. However, Russia has shown that they are very inept at maximizing the existing mineral wealth they have.

This has already turned into a proxy war. Pelosi and her sycophants vowing allegiance with the current government in Ukraine does nothing but further in flame existing animosity between United States and Russia.

What is the tangible benefit of the United States backing Ukraine?

As more money is tossed as this nonsense, I am still waiting to hear a good reason for this spending.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/20...ce-day/376213/

"The U.S. is expected to announce the largest weapons and aid package yet for Ukraine on Wednesday, a $3 billion package that would push total U.S. aid well past the annual budgets of at least eight federal programs, including the entire judicial branch."

"That total is more than the annual budget of some federal programs, such as the National Science Foundation ($9.2 billion) and the Small Business Administration ($1.7 billion), according to Statista. It is larger than the annual budgets of the federal judiciary ($9.7 billion), Congress ($6.6 billion), or the Executive Office of the President ($0.6 billion). It is creeping up on the budgets of the Environmental Protection Agency ($15.9 billion), if not NASA ($24.9 billion)."

[Gman]

Corruption in Ukraine goes way back. You can't put everything at the feet of the current government, as their intention to cleanup corruption was interrupted by OUR politicians on both sides of the aisle.

I have to go with the supporting the invadees over the invaders. What just purpose is Putin resolving by invading? They're simply killing civilians and looting everything they can.

How does making Russia stronger help us? Why should we help finance their military build-up?

I also have to think that if every other nation gave us the cold shoulder trying to fight a much bigger military power for our own independence, where would we be?

[BushMasterBoy]

This video is on the basics of the Javelin missile. Bunch of SF's with SATCOM, GPS, ATV's and they stopped the Russian Army!

[Gman]

The other thing I'll throw into this is that we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Soviet nukes. If Russia knew they could be glowing in the dark by going after Ukraine, they wouldn't have pulled the crap that they have.

In hindsight, Ukraine is probably figuring out they should have never done that, because they've taken significant losses and our assistance has been half-assed with previous Russian incursions allowed to happen without consequence. The message we sent with that ham-handed cluster was that in any future negotiation with any similar country, there's no way they'd take the same deal.

[RblDiver]

The other thing I'll throw into this is that we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Soviet nukes. If Russia knew they could be glowing in the dark by going after Ukraine, they wouldn't have pulled the crap that they have.

In hindsight, Ukraine is probably figuring out they should have never done that, because they've taken significant losses and our assistance has been half-assed with previous Russian incursions allowed to happen without consequence. The message we sent with that ham-handed cluster was that in any future negotiation with any similar country, there's no way they'd take the same deal.

That was the only reason I was somewhat in favor of joining the fight, because we needed to show the US stands behind our promises. However, Obama shot that to hell years ago, and now Biden's just finishing it up. At this point, I'd rather stay out of it entirely.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Truth.

[BushMasterBoy]

Latest recruitment video for the US Army. Kind of spooky?

[.455_Hunter]

Latest recruitment video for the US Army. Kind of spooky?

I am guessing a different ad agency than the one who did the "Heather has two mommies" spiel from last year?

[bellavite1]

I like it!
A lot!

[JohnnyDrama]

Latest recruitment video for the US Army. Kind of spooky?

Yep. Spooky.

The army recruiter wanted to sign me up and get me into computers. This was in the 80s when people with computer experience were few and far between. That didn't sound like much fun. I wanted to blow stuff up.

Semper Fi!