What do with think of China killing the Brit drug runner?

[Pancho Villa]

Moving on from death fantasies...

"Their house, their rules" seems asinine to me. Do we say that when someone shakes a baby to death for screaming too much? Their house, their rules, right?

Is that your response when the Taliban put people to death for being infidels, or not wearing a burka, or something like that? Their house, their rules, right?

There is what is right and what is wrong. I don't have any interest in drugs and no use for drug dealers (or most users,) but I also understand that there are right and wrong ways to treat people. To be honest I don't have much use for drug laws, my view being that any law meant to protect people from ruining their own lives simply creates a criminal underclass, costs taxpayers billions, and doesn't really prevent people from ruining their lives anyway.

I've known several drug addicts in my life. Never for very long, for obvious reasons, but they were losers before they got hooked. If you don't want your kids doing drugs, raise them to be self-confident, self-reliant and rational. The govt's laws won't help you at all on that end.

[Irving]

Very well said.

[BPTactical]

Moving on from death fantasies...

"Their house, their rules" seems asinine to me. Do we say that when someone shakes a baby to death for screaming too much? Their house, their rules, right?

Is that your response when the Taliban put people to death for being infidels, or not wearing a burka, or something like that? Their house, their rules, right?

There is what is right and what is wrong. I don't have any interest in drugs and no use for drug dealers (or most users,) but I also understand that there are right and wrong ways to treat people. To be honest I don't have much use for drug laws, my view being that any law meant to protect people from ruining their own lives simply creates a criminal underclass, costs taxpayers billions, and doesn't really prevent people from ruining their lives anyway.

I've known several drug addicts in my life. Never for very long, for obvious reasons, but they were losers before they got hooked. If you don't want your kids doing drugs, raise them to be self-confident, self-reliant and rational. The govt's laws won't help you at all on that end.

I think you may have taken my comment out of context.
I see your point and understand your stance and agree for the most part with your right and wrong outlook.
But when you are in a foreign country you are a GUEST in that country and are obligated to abide by "House" rules and customs.
If drug trafficking in that country carries a penalty of death and you choose to engage in trafficking drugs there then you have sown your own crop.
I agree that there is a right and wrong way to treat people and your examples of the Taliban and shaking a baby are perfect examples of "crimes against humanity" wrong.
But I have a different view on on the subject at hand.
He knowingly perpetrated a criminial act in a country that is known for harsh consequences for criminal acts.
He knew the risk.
He took the gamble.
He lost.


Remember a few years ago when there was all the hoopla surrounding the U.S. citizen (17 y.o. kid) in the Phillipines who had committed a crime and was to be caned?
The crime he commited carried the punishment of caning. He ended up getting caned.
He broke the law.
He suffered the consequences of his actions.
I had no sympathy for him.



Some justice systems work better than others.
We are far too weak on criminals and while you should have rights when you are accused of a crime why is it that a criminal seems to have endless rights?
The attornies and ACLU have fucked this country up.

[Irving]

I think there is a pretty big difference between the kid spray painting cars and some shady guy convincing this guy to take his bag to China with him.

[BigBear]

Also... wouldn't it be nice if the lawyers/attorneys of wrongly convicted peoples had to do the time/punishment as well?

I like it.

[Irving]

Yes! Don't forget the police chief who is itching to placate the public by throwing someone under the bus for the crime, or whatever similar situation happens in real life.

[Colorado Osprey]

Yes! Don't forget the police chief who is itching to placate the public by throwing someone under the bus for the crime, or whatever similar situation happens in real life.

Not just the Police Chief... the DA and Judge have more to do the the conviction than the lowly Chief. Heck, even the arresting officer had more to do with the arrest than the Chief.


My personal view after being in and exiting law enforcement...
Don't pass laws that are not going to be enforced. I am anti-drug and have no problem with death penalty for criminal offences.
With our poor execution of many enforcements... or the DA not willing to prosecute... we need to toss all drug related offences off the books and make all drugs legal. Release all in jail/prison on drug offenses or make the punishment severe enough to deter that kind of behavior.
I'd have no problem erasing all laws passed since say.... 1950. Most are passed by law makers to make them feel that they are doing something to create revenue, better humanity, their district or to get them re-elected. They have no revelence on changing anything or being enforced to make the public safer.



Remember that saying,"If you don't have the time, don't do the crime."
A major problem with todays jails/prisons is that they are better environments than some's personal lives..3 squares, roof over their head... No bills!
Many people have never seen cable TV or satellite TV until they were in jail!

If jail was worse than everyones personal life including homeless people, they would not want to go there.
The PC has ruined our country when inmates have more rights than many that are out of jail/prison.

Back to the OP. I have no problem with foriegn governments/laws and people breaking them and having to do the punishment even if it includes death.
No one makes you go to foreign countries.... even if it was for a job, you don't have to take the job.
If that is for being a non-muslim, or not wearing a Berka, whatever.... MOVE... or FIGHT.
Isn't that supposedly where the founders and principals of our country came from?(I know it's false, but believed by many)

[ChunkyMonkey]

I think you may have taken my comment out of
But I have a different view on on the subject at hand.
He knowingly perpetrated a criminial act in a country that is known for harsh consequences for criminal acts.
He knew the risk.
He took the gamble.
He lost.


Remember a few years ago when there was all the hoopla surrounding the U.S. citizen (17 y.o. kid) in the Phillipines who had committed a crime and was to be caned?
The crime he commited carried the punishment of caning. He ended up getting caned.
He broke the law.
He suffered the consequences of his actions.
I had no sympathy for him.

#1 The canning was in Singapore.

#2 Every single drug smuggler caught in foreign countries has the same defense. He/she always has no knowledge that there is drug in his/her bags.

[Graves]

Moving on from death fantasies...

"Their house, their rules" seems asinine to me. Do we say that when someone shakes a baby to death for screaming too much? Their house, their rules, right?

Is that your response when the Taliban put people to death for being infidels, or not wearing a burka, or something like that? Their house, their rules, right?

Apples to oranges PV. Although you have a valid point, "Their House, Their Rules" is a pretty general statement and in this case it doesnt pertain to Shaken Baby Syndrome or Jihad. A drug runner is a scumbag no matter how you cut it, some places have different ways to punish these scumbags and in this case he picked the wrong house to fuck around in. He paid the toll; His bad.