I was mugged?!?!

[GunTroll]

WTF? Should have gone Seagal on em' and twisted up his knife carrying arm into a pretzel so fast that his buddies don't have time to react or flee so you get to "tie" them up as well.



All joking aside. Good job. No need to kill if you don't have to.

[cwkelle]

wow, glad you are okay, shoot fire I've been holding off on getting my CCW due to funds, now I think its moved up the line of priorities...

[Great-Kazoo]

At 10 yards a knife isn't really a live or die scenario. Now if the man started closing, my gun would be out in an instant.


while this has already been addressed. my $0.02 in one of john farnam's classes i watched him (6'ish approx 250+lbs) close a 35' distance with a rubber knife (all demo stuff) on a shooter with holstered (training blue glock) gun. before the gun was cleared for a shot farnam had already sliced & diced his gun arm. thats a heavy lumbering guy in daylight moving that fast. i have a trashed out (1/4' shorter) leg and my only running is to the bathroom i can close a 20-30' gap before you could draw, and (depending on training) have a shot. it happens that quick if not quicker.

as for the OP, man o man, no armchair QB'ing here. you did what you felt needed to be done when it came time. +1gazillion for the wife switching ammo. my spouse as i'm relating this, to her asked, whats' in my shottie? 00's baby 00's
just reading this whole thread and my adrenelin is going.

[cebeu]

"in closing, we (wife and I) are safe, three idiots are in jail..."

FWIW from someone you don't know; "I'm proud of you and the lady!"

[ChadAmberg]

Good job.

Although the deadly weapon thing for black belts has no legal basis. It's purely a voluntary thing that some dojos do. Some will do it to make candidates feel like mall ninjas. Others because they think it's required because other dojos do it. But it's not.

Once these papers are signed, where do they go? There's no government office that would take these.

A lot of the rumor is the judge will be harder on you if you have a black belt when you knock someone upside their head. But that's the same argument used when saying "The defendant has a CCW and used hollowpoints against my client, so he was out to kill someone when he fought back against the knife attack. Give my client one million dollars for pain and sufferin'!"

http://www.blackbeltmag.com/archives/452 for more details.

Sorry to get off track...

[SA Friday]

So, Fox, what you are saying is he who takes the first action wins. The knife wielder charges, and you then draw, you lose. You clear the draw and then he charges, the knife wielder loses. (Tueller study scenario applies to the above.)

Huh, makes you wonder why cops draw their guns so much.

[jc121]

wow! I am truely glad you two are ok! It sounds to me that you have a very clear perspective of what you needed to do and reacted as needed to the situation.
I would talk to the landlord about releasing you from the lease since they have not provided a safe place to reside and for your familys safety.

Not shooting was smart as you only reacted with enough force to stop and put a end to the situation at hand. It is never a wise thing to act in a extreme violent action with people around or if you know you will be known, as per your previous experience. The old saying is you never tell on yourself and be prudent in every other case with others around.

Your better half acted in the same manner as you did and my hat is off to both of you as I only hope I will be able to act in such a manner if ever the situation comes on me like that.

I also live in the south area but in a little better situation but it can happen anyplace and I have been laxed in my use of CCW the last year or so. I will carry my weapon from now on. it goes with me every where but I tend to leave it in the car which does no good if needed.

If you find a new place and I am in town I would be more than happy to help in any move if that is what you decide. I do have a truck , its small but its still a truck.

good luck and keep us up to date.
thank you jon

[sniper7]

Foxtrot, i think everyone is saying (well i can't speak for everyone), so i am saying:

I would draw the instant i saw the knife....not shoot. it is a perceived threat but I can't tell you if i am in fear for my life (I wasn't there). But just seeing the knife pulled out is enough to instantly draw the weapon.


You say cops pull their guns a lot but rarely shoot. Cops also aren't snuck up on in the middle of the night and surprised by three thugs one with a knife out. They are in uniform, get respect (most of the time) from about everyone and people know they have a gun, people know the cops know how to use the gun, they know they will get into trouble for trying to fuck with a cop. hardly the same. And most of the time cops are called to a scene and are prepared for whats going on or have some sort of idea as to the scenario where a CCW might just be walking along talking on his cell phone eating a hamburger when all of a sudden they are getting mugged or shot or ??

And to answer your question the average LEO would have a gun drawn on the guy telling him to drop the knife. If the guy reaches into his pocket he will probably be shot. If he complies he probably won't.

We also aren't LEOs, don't have their training, their responsibility or their authority.

In the end we are responsible for our own safety as CCW and that is what we carry for. Helping others using your CCW is a whole other topic.


and the tueller situation could easily apply to this situation. these are all "what ifs" but that is what you are looking for I guess:
what happens if the guy sees bigbear reaching for his wallet or watch and suddenly charges and the other two react and are right behind him. the tueller situation works both ways. the CCW knows the guy is going to charge and would have an even quicker response time. you never know when somebody who just pulled a knife on you wanting all your stuff will run at you or what they are going to do. So i don't see how the tueller scenario does not apply.



ETA: Just read your next couple responses...so it appears we are on the same page as far as drawing not with the intent to kill but to save yourself time if something does go down. the way I read your post it sounded like you were against drawing at all in this situation.
so some of what I read may be redundant or an effort to see my way of thinking but it sounds like we are in agreement it is best to draw and be prepared to shoot but not just draw and shoot.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Good job Bear, hope your finances will work out fine.

[clublights]

Big Bear.....Glad Your Safe and all worked out in your favor..
as a few others have stated.. you handled it much more calmly then I think I would but then again in the couple of times I've had guns shoved in my face by bad guys I remember being really calm (and I think that scared THEM more then anything I could have shouted). Interesting how extreme situations bring you to focus quite strongly.

And as at least one other poster has said.. I think I need to move getting my CCW WAY up on the list of things to do .

in closing...

Yes get out there an by that wife of yours a bottle of her favorite wine and some flowers. She's earned them .