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Well, I progressed from a poorly informed "whatever I guess" to a very solid "had enough!". Does that count?Originally Posted by eddiememphis
14 . Always carry a change of underwear.
Wow, pretty much your whole post is something I can Google and see repeated ad nauseum all over the internet by FSB drones.
How do you know Ukraine is a corrupted state? Who has been feeding you this crap? Ask yourself this question.
100 billion, or 500, is cheap change for Ukrainian fighting a war against a foe we never had the balls to take on. The war, is not going to go away because you decided to bury your head in the sand like a coward.
Personally I choose to help as much as I can, and this is why I am again in Europe doing shit to make the needle move in the right direction for our right to exist.
Anyone who is supporting Putin and his ?Reasons?? to invade Ukraine is in my book a commie lover, a traitor, or a FSB drone.
"The French soldiers are grand. They are grand. There is no other word to express it."
- Arthur Conan Doyle, A visit to three fronts (1916)
War Hawk much? How many boogy men do you see in the world other than Putin? Spoiling for war at any cost for no specific reason other than McCarthyism habit is the wrong path IMO. You are clearly entrenched in a black/white world and unwilling to look beyond what is closely clenched to your chest. Not much point in going further here.
14 . Always carry a change of underwear.
Ruth,
You seem to be very passionate about this issue- going to the length of being in Europe "doing shit" to move the needle.
Can you explain why you are so involved and why you accuse anyone questioning U.S. involvement of being a commie lover or an FSB drone?
And what is an FSB drone?
You are right. We are learning a TON too. We have some old toys that have not gotten much use that need updates, and you can bet we're using this opportunity to do that. But I also guarantee that Javelins have ended up in Russian hands. And the Russians are busy figuring out how to improve their armor. They're also figuring out how to defeat the effectiveness of consumer drones being used for propaganda and information gathering. Which will undoubtedly end up being used on more sophisticated radio controlled tech.
The learning and adaptation goes both ways for sure. I'm beginning to wonder if that's the main reason the US is so happy to send them shit. We're using it as a real world proving ground. A training exercise in a way.
I would say I have gone from ambivalent to supporting sending all the weapons they can use. If we weren't already linked to European defense through NATO I could see an argument for staying on the sidelines. But we are tied to Europe by treaty, trade and to some extent by culture and I think it is na?ve to think that will change any time soon. So if you look at this war as an assault on the security of the eastern NATO allies, as those countries do, then I think it makes sense to support Ukraine for the win.
Now to those who say that we are spending money that should be spent at home, well I sort of agree but I have been around long enough to know that we are always doing the heavy lifting for Europe's defense (NATO couldn't even handle the Balkan war by itself). So if we aren't shipping mega $$$ to Ukraine, then we would be spending the exact same amount of money parking very expensive equipment in Germany. So I think that because a Ukrainian victory will better protect NATO, and because we can't get out of NATO any time soon, I think we might as well ship all that equipment to a battle hardened country that is fighting for its very survival, rather than gathering dust in a warehouse. Also, weren't the Abrams tanks, HIMARS, and Javelin's all intended for a land war in Europe? Might as well put them to work with someone who is fighting for our net benefit.
Also I should disclose that I think Ukraine is the 'good guy' here, but I think my argument is above is valid just on practical terms.
With an attitude like yours, you better start learning mandarin to be ready when they move to weld county.
"The French soldiers are grand. They are grand. There is no other word to express it."
- Arthur Conan Doyle, A visit to three fronts (1916)
I already said too much, and the paranoia comes with the job and the realization that the Russian/Chinese controlled troll have infiltrated every single forum you can find in the USA…. You might think “ we’ll I don’t follow any conspiracy theories website”, well, think about Nextdoor…. How many fake user do they have in there? Or the guy, trying to push the Putin/kremlin narrative on a mountain bike forum…. Yep, these. It’s insidious, and some folks live by these, because they thing that mainstream media are untrustworthy… Yet, they’ll believe a troll who’s IP can be tracked to an office building in Phnom Penh… Anyway, all of this is not worth any more of my time.
"The French soldiers are grand. They are grand. There is no other word to express it."
- Arthur Conan Doyle, A visit to three fronts (1916)
We are more at risk from our own government than from China or Russia.
14 . Always carry a change of underwear.
Quoting just for the pure awesomeness of this post that is way above my comprehension skills
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