7 CIA agents killed by double agent

[mutt]

Wrong.

It was a calculated move to demoralize the enemy and destroy their will to fight.

So you think that if the Allies had the ability to do pinpoint strikes on military and strategic targets in Axis cities, they would still have chosen to destroy civilian areas and such acts would be justifiable?

You and I have very different views of what's morally justifiable.

And if you are just referring to the fire bombing of Dresden, a very controversial series of bombing raids even back then, here's what Air Chief Marshall Arthur Harris had to say about it:

"I ... assume that the view under consideration is something like this: no doubt in the past we were justified in attacking German cities. But to do so was always repugnant and now that the Germans are beaten anyway we can properly abstain from proceeding with these attacks. This is a doctrine to which I could never subscribe. Attacks on cities like any other act of war are intolerable unless they are strategically justified. But they are strategically justified in so far as they tend to shorten the war and preserve the lives of Allied soldiers. To my mind we have absolutely no right to give them up unless it is certain that they will not have this effect. I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier. The feeling, such as there is, over Dresden, could be easily explained by any psychiatrist. It is connected with German bands and Dresden shepherdesses. Actually Dresden was a mass of munitions works, an intact government centre, and a key transportation point to the East. It is now none of these things."

Sounds like the bombings had some very real military value to him.

[Elhuero]

So you think that if the Allies had the ability to do pinpoint strikes on military and strategic targets in Axis cities, they would still have chosen to destroy civilian areas and such acts would be justifiable?

Damn right.

World War II was fought in a different era.

[Irving]

If you believe that killing innocents will help end terrorist aggression towards us; then you also must accept that if instead of blowing up airplanes, terrorists came over here and started raping and killing our families, that we would say, "Oh man, this isn't worth it, we're going to have to just leave those guys alone."

Americans are not the only people ever to feel a sense of pride, seek justice or vengeance.

[theGinsue]

Well, then there is this solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z23fZSa-QY4

[Elhuero]

If you believe that killing innocents will help end terrorist aggression towards us; then you also must accept that if instead of blowing up airplanes, terrorists came over here and started raping and killing our families, that we would say, "Oh man, this isn't worth it, we're going to have to just leave those guys alone."

Americans are not the only people ever to feel a sense of pride, seek justice or vengeance.

I never said anything about raping.

The extremists hate us anyway. There's nothing we can do to make them not hate us.

Pardon my french, but fuck their culture.

Saddam used to pay money to the families of bombers. I wouldn't doubt that Iran does it now.

As has been pointed out, these are people who kill their own daughters if they interact too much with non muslims (or do pretty much anything else dad doesn't like)

All the more reason to NOT be nice to them.

Honor killings are repugnant, more so than rap music, and I'll be damned if that's the type of "diversity" I will respect. (you can all you want)

Personally, I think it would give a would-be suicide bomber pause to think instead of "well, I'll be dead but my family will be set up for life" to have the thought "well, I'll be dead and then the Americans will hunt down mom, dad, sissy, uncle abul and auntie hekkeba"

but then, that's me.

I'm weird.

like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM

[RobertB]

The extremists hate us anyway. There's nothing we can do to make them not hate us.
[snip]
Personally, I think it would give a would-be suicide bomber pause to think instead of "well, I'll be dead but my family will be set up for life" to have the thought "well, I'll be dead and then the Americans will hunt down mom, dad, sissy, uncle abul and auntie hekkeba"

but then, that's me.

I'm weird.

Actually, given your intended scenario, it's much more likely to be that because we've indiscriminately and randomly bombed a bunch of uninvolved people, we've recruited a bunch more bad guys from the vast majority of people who wouldn't really have cared in the first place. It's the same way that holding people in prison for years because they were sold to you for bounties pretty much ensures if they weren't America hating terrorists before, they certainly will be now.

It's not rocket science -- reverse the positions and put your innocent self in the scenario. What would you do if BigGov put you in jail wrongly for many years, or killed all your family because one of the neighbors was a criminal?

[Irving]

I never said anything about raping.



Honor killings are repugnant, more so than rap music, and I'll be damned if that's the type of "diversity" I will respect. (you can all you want)

I said something about raping. If in addition to bombing public places, terrorists would select an entire family to rape and kill, would that get the point across to you that you should leave them alone?

Also, not a single person in this thread has said anything about respecting diversity, but you are confusing the acceptance of gross human rights violations with accepting cultural differences. Let's get real.

Also, just out of curiosity, what would it take to convince you to go into Iran and blow yourself up in the middle of a market? No restrictions, financially, threats against your family, the key to your favorite brothel, etc. Be creative and really consider what it would take to get you to blow yourself up in a public place in another country. Think about it long and hard, then get back to me.