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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dutch View Post
    Oh. This reads as no big deal then, just explicitly classifying the act of motorcycles moving to the front of the pack at red lights as explicitly not illegal.

    Back in the day, before the traffic patterns turned to shit in the springs, this was common practice. We always waved the motorcycle up to the front so they could be on their way instead of stuck behind the behemoth soccor mom Canyonero's.
    Oh, no, that would be wrong:
    If the cagers are stuck in traffic EVERYBODY needs to be stuck in traffic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    THE DRIVER OF A TWO-WHEELED MOTORCYCLE MAY OVERTAKE OR PASS ANOTHER MOTOR VEHICLE IN THE SAME LANE AS THE MOTORCYCLE IF:

    (A) THE OVERTAKEN OR PASSED MOTOR VEHICLE IS STOPPED;

    (B) THE MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE ADJACENT LANES, IF THE LANES ARE FOR THE SAME DIRECTION OF TRAVEL AS THE LANE OCCUPIED BY THE TWO-WHEELED MOTORCYCLE, ARE STOPPED;

    (C) THE DRIVER OF THE TWO-WHEELED MOTORCYCLE IS ON A ROAD WITH LANES WIDE ENOUGH TO PASS SAFELY;

    (D) THE PASSING MOTORCYCLE IS DRIVING AT FIFTEEN MILES PER HOUR OR LESS; AND

    (E) CONDITIONS PERMIT PRUDENT OPERATION OF THE MOTORCYCLE WHILE OVERTAKING OR PASSING.


    A PERSON OVERTAKING OR PASSING PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION (3)(b) SHALL NOT OVERTAKE OR PASS:

    (A) ON THE RIGHT SHOULDER;

    (B) To THE RIGHT OF A VEHICLE IN THE FARTHEST RIGHT-HAND LANE IF THE HIGHWAY IS NOT LIMITED ACCESS; OR

    (C) IN A LANE OF TRAFFIC MOVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
    So the left shoulder is fair game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    So the left shoulder is fair game?
    Notice that the first line and other lines specify things called "lanes". The shoulder whether it's the right or left is not a lane.

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    The good news is that cars today leave like 2 or 3 car lengths between themselves, and the drivers are all looking at their phones. They won't even notice as we weave our way (legally) past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    THE DRIVER OF A TWO-WHEELED MOTORCYCLE MAY OVERTAKE OR PASS ANOTHER MOTOR VEHICLE IN THE SAME LANE AS THE MOTORCYCLE IF:

    (A) THE OVERTAKEN OR PASSED MOTOR VEHICLE IS STOPPED;

    (B) THE MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE ADJACENT LANES, IF THE LANES ARE FOR THE SAME DIRECTION OF TRAVEL AS THE LANE OCCUPIED BY THE TWO-WHEELED MOTORCYCLE, ARE STOPPED;

    (C) THE DRIVER OF THE TWO-WHEELED MOTORCYCLE IS ON A ROAD WITH LANES WIDE ENOUGH TO PASS SAFELY;

    (D) THE PASSING MOTORCYCLE IS DRIVING AT FIFTEEN MILES PER HOUR OR LESS; AND

    (E) CONDITIONS PERMIT PRUDENT OPERATION OF THE MOTORCYCLE WHILE OVERTAKING OR PASSING.


    A PERSON OVERTAKING OR PASSING PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION (3)(b) SHALL NOT OVERTAKE OR PASS:

    (A) ON THE RIGHT SHOULDER;

    (B) To THE RIGHT OF A VEHICLE IN THE FARTHEST RIGHT-HAND LANE IF THE HIGHWAY IS NOT LIMITED ACCESS; OR

    (C) IN A LANE OF TRAFFIC MOVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
    As to the item I bolded and highlighted in red above...

    About 8-10 years ago I swore that it seemed like the roads in Colorado Springs were getting narrower, then... I watched a video of the retiring head of the department of roads (planning, upgrading, etc.) where she was discussing her proudest achievements. At the top of the list was how she had narrower new roads and the lines on many existing roads painted to cause narrower roads. Of the existing roads she had this done on, they were "known roads for people speeding". I'm sure they met the federal lane width requirements [/sarcasm]. She said that she did this to cause drivers to slow down. Now I've seen my share of slow drivers on these roads and quite a few even doing the posted speed limit, but I've seen no decrease in the number of people driving over the posted speed limits. I think MOST people will drive at the speed they feel is safe for their skills and their vehicles abilities - which is often over the posted speed limits. One then needs to question why these limits are set lower than most people believe is proper for a specific road.

    My point here is that we have a LOT of narrow roads here in Colo Spr. Many are too narrow for lane splitting by motorcycles. But I suspect that most who choose to practice this will conveniently fail to remember the above listed limitation. Kind of like when recreational pot was initially legalized and you couldn't help but encounter someone smoking pot in an off-limits area because "Hey dude, it's legal".

    Yeah, I see a lot of damage to 4 wheeled vehicles and motorcycles as well and a marked increase in motorcycle accidents/deaths in general once this is legalized. Hell, most of the time I don't feel particularly safe wrapped all around be metal and a frame due to the carelessness of so many on the roads these days. I've also seen a huge increase in motorcyclists doing things clearly unsafe and that I was taught NOT to do when I went through my Motorcycle Rider training. I guess it's time to get front and rear "dash cams" to use as evidence when it becomes necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    Yeah, I see a lot of damage to 4 wheeled vehicles and motorcycles as well and a marked increase in motorcycle accidents/deaths in general once this is legalized.
    This^.

    And plenty of side view mirrors being purposely punched off by motorcycles who think an unaware car didn't give them enough room.


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    Quote Originally Posted by T. B. Turner View Post
    Do you think, or do you know? Please confirm.
    Well, the shoulder is never considered a driving lane and the text of the bill explicitly uses the term driving lane for the various situations in which someone may lane split.

    Also, the left shoulder is designated by a solid yellow line. It is not legal to cross a solid yellow line.
    Last edited by def90; 04-09-2024 at 19:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    About 8-10 years ago I swore that it seemed like the roads in Colorado Springs were getting narrower, then... I watched a video of the retiring head of the department of roads (planning, upgrading, etc.) where she was discussing her proudest achievements. At the top of the list was how she had narrower new roads and the lines on many existing roads painted to cause narrower roads.
    This is the same idiot who decided on the I-25/Fillmore and Union/Woodmen interchanges? Then applied the same design to the Powers/Research overpass? They should have sent her on to Boulder County without even hiring her. I'm still amazed we haven't had multi-car pile-ups at the first 2 interchanges.

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