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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    If George Soros (8.3 billion) was standing next to the presidential desk giving briefings while Biden stayed quiet, after donating 250 million to get Biden elected, what would your opinion be then?

    Checks and balances don't work when you engage in hypocrisy. Russia's richest Oligarch is Leonid Mikhelson (29 Billion). Elon is 359 Billion.

    For all tooting the horn, I'm still waiting on an explanation for how DOGE has thus far, reduced any deficient (especially considering the budget they passed). Elon has announced he's quite interested in buying votes (stimulus) and we already know Trump is MASSIVELY in favor of signing his name to checks to distract the American public.

    Gee, wonder what's going to happen as we enter a recession (that many will blame on Biden...), what are you going to buy with your Elon and Trump checks?

    And nobody ever addresses the elephant... this POTUS has the record across our entire history for increasing the national deficit/debt in a single term. You will be fooled.... twice.
    Biden literally put a presidential medal of freedom on George Soros less 3 months ago.

    A lot of the savings are coming from cancelling subscriptions of contracts that have been paid but will not be renewed.


    But lets get to the real issue.

    Do you really think that the federal government should be spending $20k for every man woman and child in the U.S?

    Or do you think that's not enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryjcom View Post
    But lets get to the real issue.

    Do you really think that the federal government should be spending $20k for every man woman and child in the U.S?

    Or do you think that's not enough?
    As an actual fiscal conservative, I recognize that Trump is worse for the deficit/debt than virtually any POTUS beofre him. His first presidency, he promised he'd "pay off the national debt". Instead he increased it by about 8 trillion / 40%.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/27/trum...nd-checks.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    As an actual fiscal conservative, I recognize that Trump is worse for the deficit/debt than virtually any POTUS beofre him. His first presidency, he promised he'd "pay off the national debt". Instead he increased it by about 8 trillion / 40%.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/27/trum...nd-checks.html

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    This lefty article says he?s 3rd. Their graph below shows Obama increased it heavily, but he must of came in 4th so they didn?t mention him.

    Without Covid the deficit would of been much lower. Was Covid his fault? Was it China?s? Does China owe us 3 trillion to pay for it? Does NIAID need to pay for it?

    Why do we pay interest on our own debt instead of using those funds to pay it down?

    Trump is not perfect and has things to dislike about him, but your obvious hatred of him is well known and you?ll slant any post negatively towards him.

    Have you applied to be on MSNBC?






    ?The growth in the annual deficit under Trump ranks as the third-biggest increase, relative to the size of the economy, of any U.S. presidential administration, according to a calculation by a leading Washington budget maven, Eugene Steuerle, co-founder of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. And unlike George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln, who oversaw the larger relative increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or have to pay for a civil war.

    Economists agree that we needed massive deficit spending during the COVID-19 crisis to ward off an economic cataclysm, but federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration?s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a ?crisis? and a ?grave threat.?

    The combination of Trump?s 2017 tax cut and the lack of any serious spending restraint helped both the deficit and the debt soar. So when the once-in-a-lifetime viral disaster slammed our country and we threw more than $3 trillion into COVID-19-related stimulus, there was no longer any margin for error.?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehaus View Post
    Why do we pay interest on our own debt instead of using those funds to pay it down?
    Global economic collapse is one reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehaus View Post
    This lefty article says he?s 3rd. Their graph below shows Obama increased it heavily, but he must of came in 4th so they didn?t mention him.

    Without Covid the deficit would of been much lower. Was Covid his fault? Was it China?s? Does China owe us 3 trillion to pay for it? Does NIAID need to pay for it?

    Why do we pay interest on our own debt instead of using those funds to pay it down?

    Trump is not perfect and has things to dislike about him, but your obvious hatred of him is well known and you?ll slant any post negatively towards him.

    Have you applied to be on MSNBC?






    ?The growth in the annual deficit under Trump ranks as the third-biggest increase, relative to the size of the economy, of any U.S. presidential administration, according to a calculation by a leading Washington budget maven, Eugene Steuerle, co-founder of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. And unlike George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln, who oversaw the larger relative increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or have to pay for a civil war.

    Economists agree that we needed massive deficit spending during the COVID-19 crisis to ward off an economic cataclysm, but federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration?s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a ?crisis? and a ?grave threat.?

    The combination of Trump?s 2017 tax cut and the lack of any serious spending restraint helped both the deficit and the debt soar. So when the once-in-a-lifetime viral disaster slammed our country and we threw more than $3 trillion into COVID-19-related stimulus, there was no longer any margin for error.?


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    None of the detractors want to or will address the anomaly of COVID or the previous trends set in motion and beauracracies enabled by Bush and continued by Obama or the fact that pretty much every pres and congress since WW2 has grown Fed deficit.

    The hatred of the man always shows thru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    If George Soros (8.3 billion) was standing next to the presidential desk giving briefings while Biden stayed quiet, after donating 250 million to get Biden elected, what would your opinion be then?

    Checks and balances don't work when you engage in hypocrisy. Russia's richest Oligarch is Leonid Mikhelson (29 Billion). Elon is 359 Billion.

    For all tooting the horn, I'm still waiting on an explanation for how DOGE has thus far, reduced any deficient (especially considering the budget they passed). Elon has announced he's quite interested in buying votes (stimulus) and we already know Trump is MASSIVELY in favor of signing his name to checks to distract the American public.

    Gee, wonder what's going to happen as we enter a recession (that many will blame on Biden...), what are you going to buy with your Elon and Trump checks?

    And nobody ever addresses the elephant... this POTUS has the record across our entire history for increasing the national deficit/debt in a single term. You will be fooled.... twice.
    Comparing Soros to Elon is ignorant. The trail of evil Soros has left behind him in his life does not compare to Elon's life so far.


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    So far, it seems DOGE is less interested in in cutting waste as it is in defunding the Left.

    While it is fun to watch the pearl clutching leftists going bananas, remember that the pendulum always swings back the other way.

    Today its tranny story time and the Department of Education, tomorrow it is the newly proposed USFS shooting ranges and the Department of Defense.

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    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1896948147085049916

    Zelenskyy just posted this-

    We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

    Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.

    Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.


    I have read in several places the prior the the press conference, he met with a few Democrat bigwigs like Schumer and Susan Rice who allegedly coached him on how to deal with Trump.

    Looks like he learned his lesson in big time negotiation.
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    The chart above essentially proves the point too... We can argue who is 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for deficiet all day long. Even BEFORE the pandemic, Trump was making the parabolic curve worse. Like I said, he promised to pay down the debt. Instead, his first, and essentially only action, was to cut revenue. He was as bad, if not worse, than Obama.

    They made the revenue cuts permanent... and promise more revenue cuts. Budget demonstrates it's all bullshit. We'll have even more deficiet spending in 2028 than we have today.

    Fiscal conservatives are a dying breed, effectively having no party.

    MAGA is a different party entirely, mutually incompatible. This party in power spends as much, if not more, than their demonized progressive poliitical partners. MAGA leaders are just are better at acting like they care about it. Some of the members of the party might care, but they are nevertheless deceived.

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    I work in federal government. There's waste for sure, in my department not as much as you might think. But some, and it's definitely impossoble to fire trash employees. I support the idea of DOGE in general and don't mind the emails and whatever, but the way it's all been handled is pretty amateurish. For one, they don't even notify secretaries of the various federal departments that emails are coming, so nobody has any clue once they show up. Second, they're written very unprofessionally which makes it almost seem fake or spam. Lastly, they're just trying to purge a bunch of the government. In my anecdotal experience, you can lean it out but you need to be very specific about who you fire. My group could absorb a 20% reduction no problem if you cut the correct 3-4 people. Leave any of those and cut someone else and we will be buried. It's easy too, look at performance records and their internet surf history and boom you are good to go. Do it on seniority only and we will be absolutely crippled.

    I also don't think making government employees the enemy and thst they're all lazy trash is the wrong way to go. I've worked in both sectors and some of my colleagues are the best abd brightest I've worked with.

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