WAR!

[eddiememphis]

When has Iran ever abided by any declaration or accord or agreement?

Do you really think that millions of militant Muslims are just going to throw down their AK's and embrace the local Jews contrary to at least a century of institutional antisemitism?

Nonsense. Ceasefires do not erase ideology.

They may have been seriously hurt but they are far from beaten. Even if Iran changes political direction, there are still plenty of militants to cause continued disruptions in the region- and across the world.

The US and Israel damaged the hornet's nest, but the hive is very much alive and exterminating all of them is incredibly difficult and unlikely.

[HoneyBadger]

It's certainly a complex situation but we did NOT eliminate Iran's Nuke program. I am still trying to figure out why Israel agreed to a ceasefire... they must be running short on munitions.

I wish they would have kept going.

[BushMasterBoy]

I figure they moved all the enriched bomb grade uranium to another location before the attack. I fear the best attack would have been a ground burst nuclear assault. Probably why the ODNI made the strange video. US forces could have totally destroyed the site with a nuclear weapon. Large trucks were seen on the roads near Fordow days before the strikes. I bet the Iranians dispersed what material they had enriched and an open source estimate was about 800 kilograms.


https://www.newsweek.com/iran-nuclea...tivity-2088918

[Hummer]

I think that president Trump made a foolish move in unilaterally declaring a cease fire, stymying the Israeli effort to destroy the Iranian nuclear assets. Those assets will survive, kicking the can down the road to become a greater threat to the USA.

[HoneyBadger]

I think that president Trump made a foolish move in unilaterally declaring a cease fire, stymying the Israeli effort to destroy the Iranian nuclear assets. Those assets will survive, kicking the can down the road to become a greater threat to the USA.

Difficult to understand. Did he want to appear as the peacemaker and shining star of this war?

By all accounts, it seemed like Israel had a complete advantage and was just pummeling Iran. The only concerning evidence was the number of missiles impacting in Israel over the last few days - potentially indicating Israel running low on interceptors which are expensive and slow to replace.

[eddiememphis]

I think that president Trump made a foolish move...

Difficult to understand. Did he want to appear as the peacemaker and shining star of this war?

It has been made abundantly clear time and time again that Donald Trump looks out for Donald Trump first and all other things are secondary. Rarely in his careers as a businessman and politician, has he shown that he is operating with an eye towards long-term outcomes.

He has already said several times that he deserves the Nobel peace prize for this, even though nothing definitive has been achieved.

As much as the Nobel committee was made fun of for awarding the prize to Barack Obama for doing nothing, apparently doing the same thing for Donald Trump would have much more meaning.

[Jer]

As much as the Nobel committee was made fun of for awarding the prize to Barack Obama for doing nothing, apparently doing the same thing for Donald Trump would have much more meaning.

To me it means nothing other then giving it to one side w/o reason makes about as much sense as giving it to the other side w/o reason.... sort of balances out the universe, so to speak.

Outside of that, despite some posts here (not this one specifically, obv) strongly indicating otherwise, none of this has an easy solve. If that were the case, it would have been solved long ago.

While this feels like a positive step on the surface, who knows what unintended consequences lurk beneath. Hopefully those, too, remain positive but we really have no way of knowing.

[FoxtArt]

To me it means nothing other then giving it to one side w/o reason makes about as much sense as giving it to the other side w/o reason.... sort of balances out the universe, so to speak.

Outside of that, despite some posts here (not this one specifically, obv) strongly indicating otherwise, none of this has an easy solve. If that were the case, it would have been solved long ago.

While this feels like a positive step on the surface, who knows what unintended consequences lurk beneath. Hopefully those, too, remain positive but we really have no way of knowing.

In the words of Tuco, if you're going to shoot, shoot, don't talk.

I disagree, this was eas(ier) to solve. Unfortunately though, one of the biggest leaks we have is sitting in the white house. He wasn't some grand strategist, he telecasted his intention well in advance, and it was all over the news for about two weeks about the bunker busters, requests, their capabilities, etc... And Iran moved all of the uranium because for days all our media was talking about the potential of us striking the site, Trump even was playing the "will I or won't I" "I'm a hero that saved your leader" cards for days, and days.

If instead, he had kept his pie-hole shut and acted decisively, Iran would not have been able to repair the facility, nor use any enrinched material, because ideally it would've been heavily dispursed within the site and scattered all over their f'n mountain. He's not a brilliant strategist, he's a 3rd grader in an 80 year old body in these fields, and I agree, his biggest motivation is a peace prize, for nothing but ego. We've hardly set Iran back, because we went after enrichment capacity. They aready have enough for 9 nukes, more enrichment capacity doesn't mean much. The only reason they have a setback at all is because Isreal took out their brains.

If you're going to shoot, shoot. But twinky has to not only talk, he has to threaten, praise, insult, backtrack, threaten, reverse, praise, and threaten.

Even 85 year old Muhammed Bin Worthless had enough time to get his walker and carry all the shit out of the site.

ETA: Also if anyone is wondering why Iran "called and told Trump" where they were going to fire 14 missles and at what time, it's because they were returning the favor that Trump provided to them, by letting them know well in advance, at minimum, of where he would be attacking, and with what.

[Mick-Boy]

Scott Horton just gave an excellent primer on the history of the region, especially during the GWOT, in his appearance on Tucker Carlson. If you're interested in understanding things at a lightly deeper depth than "they hate us 'cause we're free" it's worth a watch/listen.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-scott-horton

[BushMasterBoy]

Leaves earth tonite...