Your "Go to home defense SHTF firearm!

[68Charger]

Wow- get busy for a day, and a thread turns into this?

I don't have an MD after my name- and I reject the idea that you have to have that title to understand physics... I've met MD's that couldn't figure out how to shut of a water main after they broke off a valve (funny story)

when even #8 shot exits a muzzle, it is in one "clump"- at that point, it acts very much like a semi-frangible slug, at supersonic speeds... and is very capable of inducing shockwaves, and contains in excess of 2000 Ft-Lb of energy... at short range, I've seen #8 shot make a single 1" ragged hole in 3/4" plywood..

at ranges of less than 10 feet, you could probably load a shotgun with Q-tips, and the muzzle energy would be enough to kill something.. (sounds like something I would try, I've got some shotshells, a reloader- just need to find some appropriate wads & try Q-Tips) I promise I'll post pics if I do it..

once the pellets start to separate (which occurs at a nebulous range, depending on load, barrel, choke, etc), then you wind up with pellets that are about 1 grain each- even at 1100 fps, you're looking at 3 ft/Lbs of energy per pellet (there are ~410 of them in a 1oz load).. about the same as a standard steel BB fired from a BB gun at 500 fps... hardly lethal

the problem with bird shot is NOT that it CAN'T be lethal, but that the conditions have to be right for it to be... There's a reason they call it BIRD shot... I'll admit it's good at NOT overpenetrating- but it's also bad at penetrating when you want it to...

[Cameron]

Cameron, while you are 90% correct, Hydrostatic shock is a real physical principle and existed long before it was injected into the wound theory discussion. I was totally with you until you made that one mistake.

I was referring to the erroneous belief that "a .45 slug will kill someone because of the massive hydrostatic shock".

Cameron

[MarkCO]

I was referring to the erroneous belief that "a .45 slug will kill someone because of the massive hydrostatic shock".

Cameron

I guess we do agree then.

[copfish]

I keep an old 18" 870 loaded with 000 in the closet in cruiser ready. Wifey knew enough to grab that when the Texas 7 was spotted (and apprehended) in the neighborhood when we lived up in Woodland Park. I have a butt-stock cuff with 3 slugs and 3 00 buck for follow-up shots. I'm not into all the discussion about wound channels and hydrostatic shock, but my thoughts are a faceful of triple-aught will ruin one's day.

[Eow]

Wireless phone in every room with 911 on speed dial. Analog PoTS backup in case they jam the wireless.

42, you've been a member of this forum for 8 months, and this is your first post!?

I have to say you are no doubt safe and secure with your SHTF strategy. Perhaps you might want to further reduce your risk, and leave your wallet out on the front porch at night so that no one gets hurt.

[BadShot]

42, you've been a member of this forum for 8 months, and this is your first post!?

I have to say you are no doubt safe and secure with your SHTF strategy. Perhaps you might want to further reduce your risk, and leave your wallet out on the front porch at night so that no one gets hurt.

And you have 143 post and for some reason feel obliged to talk shit and miss sarcasm?

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To our resident ballistics experts... I've said it once and I'll say it 100 more times, I will kill you just as dead with a .22 as I would a .45. It isn't about caliber, its about shot placement girls.

Sure, a shotty gives you a bit more forgiving POI, but it also means you have a greater chance for unaccounted for fragments.

I'm not going to piss and moan like some about penetration or caliber, much of what has been espoused here is anecdotal at best, far from factual and down right negligent at worst.

I'll rely on my real world experience. I too have used 5.56 to end the potential threat of another human to my existence. All of those encounters required a varying number of shots, under varying environmental conditions, none of which was in doors. What I have is 18 years of muscle memory and training with my chosen home defense weapon, the 5.56 throwing AR-15. It is the best weapon I could assemble and afford, equipped with the best optic, light, functional ergonomic accessories and ammunition available to me. I can and am willing to use it to defend my family, property and under other legal circumstances as needed.

That is what I know, that is what cannot be disputed.

Defend your home and family with whatever you can, but by all that is holy and right in this life, train to do so. Train more than you do now, because no matter what you are doing now, know in your heart and mind, that it is NEVER enough.

Stay safe girls

[Jer]

42, you've been a member of this forum for 8 months, and this is your first post!?

I have to say you are no doubt safe and secure with your SHTF strategy. Perhaps you might want to further reduce your risk, and leave your wallet out on the front porch at night so that no one gets hurt.

And you have 143 post and for some reason feel obliged to talk shit and miss sarcasm?

Fuckin' 08's.