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    My dogs are my first line of defense. If someone made it into my home and past my dogs, 1911 and my AR. Michelle will be locked in the bedroom with Elliana and another AR and XD .45, and she is an excellent shot. My shotguns are in the safe in the basement, but when I get my M4 it will be in the closet.

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    [quote=Stuart;158370]If one pellet hit someone? You've got to be kidding. There is no way any law enforcement would use bird shot for anything but a unit hunting trip.

    That's what I said....they can not, so they went to .223

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    Marlin, He would have lived to sue another day.

    There is the sarcastic answer and, the what I believe answer..

    Not that I would birdshot anyway. I have much better things than that..

    Just like proving that birdshot is better than nothing...
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    Of course it is, especially up close. How incapacitating is birdshot though, that is the issue. I don't like getting shot with airsoft, it f'ing hurts, but it's not incapacitating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drilldo View Post
    My dogs are my first line of defense.
    I hear you. Old Riggs shows amazingly good judgement when it comes to people/critters showing up unannounced. He is not the type of dog to just bark like crazy at anything (except motorcycles).

    Usually, if a friend or family member drives up, Riggs somehow knows they are a "friendly". He'll wag his tail and bark once or twice just to let me know they're here. This behavior will start long before they actually get to the house.

    If a coyote or unknown person shows up at night, Riggs will wake up from a dead sleep and give his alarm bark. Somehow he knows they're coming, not just that they're here. Its like he has a sixth sense or something.

    He is the most gentle dog I've ever met, but I have no doubt he would fight a rabid T-Rex to protect his humans...

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    Well, I guess if you show up at a shoot,, We could do an experiment..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
    Well, I guess if you show up at a shoot,, We could do an experiment..
    I've seriously considered it. I've been hit in the chest and neck from ricochets of birdshot before and I'd take that over an airsoft any day. I realize that a ricochet has lost nearly all energy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenScoutII View Post
    I hear you. Old Riggs shows amazingly good judgement when it comes to people/critters showing up unannounced. He is not the type of dog to just bark like crazy at anything (except motorcycles).

    Usually, if a friend or family member drives up, Riggs somehow knows they are a "friendly". He'll wag his tail and bark once or twice just to let me know they're here. This behavior will start long before they actually get to the house.

    If a coyote or unknown person shows up at night, Riggs will wake up from a dead sleep and give his alarm bark. Somehow he knows they're coming, not just that they're here. Its like he has a sixth sense or something.

    He is the most gentle dog I've ever met, but I have no doubt he would fight a rabid T-Rex to protect his humans...
    i had a golden like this growing up. kindest dog on the face of the earth. let kids tug and pull on her, loved to play, barked when people came to the door or drove up in the driveway, but in a way that didn't sound scary at all. then one time a random guy drove up the drive way in the afternoon when my mom and i were the only ones home, out in the country. libby came running out of the corn field, hair standing up on the back of her neck and for the first time in my life i heard her growl. the guy said he just wanted directions, but when he went to pen his door libby got right up in the window. he jumped back and asked if she would bite and my mom wisely said "i don't know..." so the guy just asked directions and left. funny thing is too she never seemed to like to mail man much but LOVED the ups guy. dang, i need to get a dog

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    First line is Buddy the blue heeler. Different guns in different rooms, depends on where I or wife are when alerted. Primarily short barrel 20 ga. and whatever handgun we happen to be wearing or if in bed what is in bed holster mounted to bedframe. One of the ways I got the wife to take interest in home defense was to convince her to practice with me clearing house. She enjoys it and regularly comes up with new tactics and will even rearrange the furniture for different scenarios.

    Side note, she moves the furniture every couple months anyway. Always has, don't know why. Drives me nuts. Leave it alone so I can move around without lights. She says for cleaning and she just gets tired of always being the same. Now days I don't mind cause if I come home and furniture is rearranged then I know she will suggest we run drills. If it is her idea then if something(lamp, vase etc.) gets broken I'm not in the dog house for couple days.
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    Security system, giant dog, and then a Mossberg with a Glock 21 for Backup.

    5.56 is a little overkill for interior home defense in my opinion...

    For a 1v1 scenario a shotgun offers much better room for stress error (you only have to aim in his general direction)
    less possibility for unwanted bullet penetration (through walls and what not)
    and a huge intimidation factor that goes along with it...

    The downside to a shotgun is that if he gets to close, the shotgun becomes unwieldy due to barrel length.

    In that scenario (which I doubt would happen)
    I'd whip out my Glock 21 and let him have fun with some .45 ACP.

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